Thankyou all. Simpl- do you think you could recommend me for a Sainthood? I could really use the money from royalties. Sometimes I am so humble I annoy myself with my so crap humour. I have learnt a lot, though about wearing emotional big boy pants in the last 18 months. I rate my maturity rate now as just past potty training. I ALWAYS flush, and put the bog seat down if there are non boy people around.