Originally Posted by
Gottalife 
What we were discussing is whether or not zero steppers or two steppers can carry a useful message of hope and recovery. I've never met a clumsy 12 stepper btw.
OK, you win here with the word play. Nicely done.
Originally Posted by
Gottalife The alcoholic mind is very open to suggestion towards drinking and or comfort. . For example, sister Ignatia noticed that the recovery rate was lower when a relapser was in the group. I can understand that.
I can understand this as well, unfortunately. It's why I will never suggest more drinking to anyone who even remotely appears to have a problem with it. It's rather interesting that Sister Ignatia recognized this so long ago.
I won't even venture to enumerate the many profoundly stupid things that my "alcoholic mind" was suggestible to, but I can't blame that suggestibility on others. I would consider that idea as coming from the alcoholic mind itself.
The best advice I ever received was to never touch another drop of alcohol, long before I became addicted, but I paid little attention, unfortunately.