I don't know about other people, but if I search back in my memory, the responses to my problem drinking behaviors usually included the suggestion that I should be able to drink without causing this much of a problem and why can't I just have one or two. I know there was a thread about how most adults don't drink... drinkers are surrounded by other drinkers, they're not surrounded by the non-drinkers... so the other drinkers in our lives, think we SHOULD be able to continue drinking but stop ****ing up. I know it's a subconscious way to hold on to personal connections through that common bond over alcohol, I'm just saying... I do think there's a culture, even around DUI offenses, that the person just needs to call a cab next time. The post card the cops slipped in to my pocket when they dropped me off at home did not say anything about abstaining, it said drink safely. That's a crock.. but only in my world as I see it now...