Thanks for calling attention to rational recovery. I'd sorta looked at it but didn't read anything because what I was looking for was secular support groups. Read through the crash course and found something I needed in it. I read Allen Carr's book and am not having any problem with wanting to drink but persistently am struggling with the idea of Never drinking again. I've decided when I'm 87 I'm going to be at Disneyland's 100th anniversary and have a glass of champagne...until then nothing...:-) that actually helps me a lot. At that point if I want to have a drink a day --why not lol. I may not want to at that point or be alive and or functioning-- who knows-- kind of gives me motivation to stay healthy through my life lol. I feel my av has been holding me back from starting true recovery in my life and this seems to satisfy it. I feel I can get up off my rear now and start the rest of my life.