Originally Posted by Morning Glory

This is what I see also Bluechair. I don't think anyone is against Craft or Smart, but it just can't seem to be presented without anti 12 step remarks along with it.

We used to have that problem here with our Rational Recovery members and they have worked that out finally.

History tells me that Craft will never have a place here until that changes. It took years for Rational Recovery to find an accepted place here and that's what it took.