i never got "converted' I immersed myself in as many philosophies possible and even though i state my opinion I remain an open book..I don't think mixing spirituality and recovery is productive..for the masses under 1 dogma not to mention it has violated the constitution. there are many brilliant scientists who are let's say agnostic. Steven Hawkins is
I believe..
Richard Dawkins thinks it was impossible to be proper scientist and not be an atheist..my spiritual thoughts are a direct result of my experiences..not being spoon fed, feared or shamed into something. i found that people change their drinking habits because they want to and also because they have something to live for..they may moderate or quit completely....getting excited about life..not recovery..is the key