Originally Posted by Threshold

Any other groups/meetings you can check out that might be...different?

I have tried and now left AA fellowship three times (I'm done for good) for similar reasons. I got to a point where I can't cut through that stuff anymore. The effort distracts from focusing on my recovery.

I found NA less "like that". I found numerous other 12 step groups that use the steps but a different slant...some are spiritual but actually not religious, and some are secular humanist etc. I actually got sober for real during one of my "off AA" stages, but I wanted fellowship so I thought I'd give it another try, in another geographic location. Pretty quickly in I found that nope, I really am NOT AA material. No harm, no foul. It works for many people, many find life saving fellowship and support .

Maybe we can get this secular 12 step forum a bit more active.