sigh.
let me try and recap, at least just for myself, since this went so...uh....not the way i wanted it to.
"You earlier said the OP was about what is the correct AVRT response to relapse, and now you're saying it is to prove that response is circular."
i was neither interested in "the correct AVRT response" nor to "prove" anything.
i was struck by what looks like the similarity of the response to relapse on the 12-step boards and on the AVRT threads, and how those responses are similar in the way that they both seem to say this: if you are working our method right, this will not happen. the fact that this happened proves that you did not work the method properly. no matter what you say about how you "worked" it, you couldn't have done it right.
but no matter.
the thread has opened up some other interesting topics.
maybe they'll be pursued other places.