freshstart,
yes.
i'd really like to understand how people see it; i mean: how it makes sense to those it makes sense to.
because it seems so obviously off to me.
now i'm remembering an alcoholic friend of mine who hadn't had a drink in a couple of years when suddenly she took a big swig out of a bottle someone had left in her fridge.
her statement was to the effect that even though she'd clearly not been abstinent at that moment, she was most certainly sober.
seems i hear people equating the two often, esp. in secular non-AA circles, yet if another circumstance arises, then sometimes these very people split it into two very different things.