I think sometimes we need further proof that we really can't ever touch it. I spent many years attempting to use willpower to control what I drank. I was determined to be a social drinker - not sure why, since it wasn't fun or relaxing in the end. Once we step over that line from social to alcoholic drinking there's no going back. Hibiscus and lstthings - you are going to make it. Don't ever give up.