HRB, good suggestion...
But: I vaguely recall (from 300+ posts back) that Robby's original purpose on this thread was merely to chat about how he - somehow, in his particular life - stayed sober using both AVRT and AA.
I think that was the original purpose? [And then we get back to the whole conundrum - which exists mostly in a logic-driven world of philosophical method: 'but the two things are at odds'!]
Yeah, and that's my point too: pretty much everything in life is at odds. We have to find a way to chat about such matters. I often think of the inter-faith movement around the world, where good people are trying to both stay with their differences whilst also remaining open to how others think.