it's like people who drink and say they have to reach "rock bottom" until they can quit. WTF????? you bring your rock bottom up to hit you! i watch Intervention. i read threads where people have lost is all. i don't need to walk the paths other people have walked because i've seen where it leads. i honestly want to cry every time i hear someone say they're waiting to reach their "rock bottom." those two words may be two of the most unintentionally detrimental words in all of recovery. bring it up, baby!