i will add that all of us are professional ex drunks. i didnt live in a doorway in the cass corridor, live under a bridge in grand rapids, graduate summa *** laude,didnt even attend colege for that matter, work a prestigious job or make lots of money. but i relate with everyone in AA that did. they have helped me solve my problems and i have helped them with the simple program of AA and a big chunk of humble pie.