thank you i appreciate it, it just makes it hard to talk to anyone especially when the one i would talk to wont talk to me (ex). my father and brother are both afflicted with this disease too but wont admit it. Heck i just got off the phone with my brother asking me to go out to a bar with him so we could talk. and my mom goes to bed at 7pm because shes been sober for 16 years now and my dad starts to drink at 7pm. sigh... i think this place will be great for me thank you for allowing me to be here and learn and relate. i never realized i had a problem until i realized all the people who were saying it was ok for me to drink were my drinking friends... funny how that works huh?