Not sure if you're trying to goad me into an argument or what, but just because I do not feel like making or stating a "big plan" and do not embrace all of AVRT does not mean I am going to drink again or am "between binges". As you can see for yourself, there are plenty of people here who got sober without AVRT as laid about by Trimpey (and in essence without declaring a Big Plan), but more or less employ his techniques and have remained sober. Saying I do not want to make/declare a big plan is simply not the same as stating I am between binges, sorry. I'll be honest with you, your persistence on this issue and your inability to wrap your mind around that fact kind of makes you seem like the people in another program who do not believe you can stay sober without that program. Different strokes for different folks. We're not all made the same, and we don't all recover the same.