That makes sense to me now, Zulu, that is a good enough reason for sure. On the other hand, perhaps a pointer to the thread, as TU suggested would be helpful to those who talk on other forums about their 'monster' or 'alcoholic voice' and their difficulties in resisting that voice. It seems that these folks are already on their way to putting AVRT into practice and I would like to give them the opportunity to examine RR and see if it fits for them.