Originally Posted by
Cyranoak 
It drive's me ****ing nuts every time I read in a thread that somebody, newbie or not, actually believes you can love and/or control somebody into sobriety, or that somebody will find sobriety simply because of the love of a spouse, parent, children, or The Lord.
Good Lord-- as a species are we really that dumb?
It drives me nuts when people deride other people's real life experiences just because they don't correlate with their own. Especially when those other people's experiences are the norm.