Originally Posted by Rayn3dr0p

"I finally gave him up, and he gave the drinking up shortly after....this time he said nothing, no promises to break.....just got help for himself and did it."

This is at the crux of it, isn't it? They just need to shut the f*ck up! Stop talking, stop justifying, stop rationalizing, stop promising, stop complaining, stop whining, stop gaslighting, stop arguing, stop manipulating, stop stop stop! It's not about talking. It's about saying nothing and DOING something.