"YES" Steve. You have to remember. I have read all your threads and have had a hard time not replying. IT took me forever to get to where you have to be. I only wish i could put in words what I learned through counseling (sp) and listening....before I stopped trying to rescue my son from his habit.....but I got to a point were I was so angry that I had to hand him over to his higher power and back away.. You don't need my story but after years of this he is now 13 months free running his own company. So, stay strong and start enjoying life.....hugs and smiles, Bonnie