Thank you artsoul, I checked out the stages and I understood where it's coming from. Like you definintly at least stage 2 and I really don't want to go any further, If I stop now I think I would be very happy having not done to much damage despite having DUI etc.. Interesting you talk about the units as some days I have in one day/night over what is acceptable for a week and that can't be good. After that I would always have to drink to smooth out the hangover from it. The phase someone here said that resonated the most with me is they were never happy when controlling there drinking and prefered it when it controlled them. I think I am like that in some ways. I am thinking now I would rather have nothing than just one beer or glass of wine, I really hate that!