I used to go to SOS (secular organization for sobriety) meetings when I lived in LA. It was basically AA w/o the steps or reliance on HP themes. I don't know if they are still around or not.
@ ch
I knew what I was doing everytime I used. I never once ever said or thought I did it becasue I am sick or I couldnt help it. Thats just BS to me.
Exactly. One of the things that turns many away from traditional forms of treatment is the 'helpless victim' mentality that is generated and reinforced.
@ Alera
From what I understand, old man Ellis and RR was partly a political battle. The guy wanted to have more control and influence over the org, and it wanted to branch away. Seems to lend to the negative label Ellis was assigned: "cognitive fascist". LOL.