ive just found this thread and im so glad, i love all the SR forums but its nice to find a place where the answer to any question or problem isnt "go to AA" i have nothing against AA, I go to meetings occasionally for that face to face thing (there are no secular groups meeting any where near me) but it sometimes leaves me feeling worse. I read about the flying spaghetti monster in Richard Dawkins The God Delusion but this is the first time i have seen his noodleness. Apparently there is a split in his church, is nothing sacred?