Big Sis Im selling the saddle because I need to pay down some of this credit card debt he has wracked up. I just cant figure out if he needed the drug that bad why not sell his own stuff. You are right I told my spouse about the money last nite, I feel a whole lot better. My son was mortified and started yelling " how could you tell dad when he is under so much stress." amazing how the mind works. I said " how could u do this to your dad when he is not well" He does not live with us anymore we kicked him out 4 months ago. He has a little cheap apartment. I was letting him do his laundry in our home and stay for dinners. Dont know how he pays his rent though at this point don't care. I dont know how you manage with 2 addicted kids, one is enough to drive you around the bend. You sound like you have travelled a long path. Thankyou for your advice.