thanks finally out, i needed to hear that, and about joining any kind of club, i've got to figure out how to get these kids of mine to get daycare cause i'm tired of keeping grandkids during the day or should i say evenings. they just don't seem to understand and i hate to just quit, but from the looks of it, thats what i'm gonna have to do. been telling them that i don't want to keep kids anymore for the last 2-3 yrs. i know its my fault that i haven't stopped them yet, but they can try to make me feel so guilty for not doing it since i'm home all day.