Marte,
I'm really glad you made that exception at the end!
I think this is a great discussion. And it clearly shows that there does NOT have to be acrimony between the secularists and the 12 steppers.
We ALL have the same goal.
Again, anyone who says theirs is the only way, or the highway, whether secular or 12 stepper, speaks more about themselves than they do about their program of recovery.
Thanks for a great discussion. What a bit of sharing honestly can bring forth, huh?
Shalom!