Paulie..open shirt tail today??

[SkyIsFalling42]

I am taking hold of your shirt tail today..just for today. This hurts me so badly at times that I feel I cannot pull another breath.

http://www.odjfs.state.oh.us/oapl/Re...asp?id=D403938

[51anna]

Hi Sky, I'm so sorry for you. It must be hell for you to see this happening and to not be able to do anything about it. Have you considered trying to get legal help in order to adopt your grandchildren yourself? My heart goes out to you. No one should have to suffer like you are.

Hugs and love, Anna

[Paulie]

Sky -

I don't know what to say, I am sure that this rips your heart out. Try if you can to take some comfort in the fact that they have foster parents that love them and want to make them a part of their lives.

If they cannont be with you, know that they are with people that love them.

I am so sorry Sky.
(((SKY)))

[SkyIsFalling42]

Thank you my friends..I knew that you would be here for me today. I just have to go through this every now and then and it is so very hard. The abuses that were committed on me in the care of the foster home I was put into. I have to feel the pain of that, the distrust of the system, the whole nine yards. I have to pick and disect and get to the bottom and work back up again. I will be so glad when this process will not have to be repeated. It is so very hard for me to think that they are being taken care of well. I love them so very much and cannot even tell them so. Or that this is not my choice, I think of them every single day, how badly I would love to hug them and see them, how they are missed..I can tell them nothing.

Well here comes the fountain of tears..I need to go work on my "system recovery". Love and hugs and thanks.

[51anna]

Sky, they know how much you love them. Never doubt that.

I'm holding your hand today, my friend.

Hugs and love,
Anna

[ladyofdreams]

{{{{ SKY}}}},

My heart truly hurts for you today.

Please know that we are all here for you.

Here are my arms dear friend, hold tight, just as you have held onto each and every one of us when we've needed you.

Love you,
EL

[Paulie]

They do know Sky, I am sure of that.

I know it is not easy, easy cannot even be a good word to use in this situation, but your experiences are not necessarily the same as the ones that they are going to have. That is what you have to believe in your heart of hearts. HP will take care of them, I know that.

Cry, it is okay to cry and if someone tells you that it is not, they are wrong. You feel bad, cry let it out.

Pray for them Sky.

[Ann]

My hugs and prayers go out for you and for them too, Sky.

If the foster parents want to adopt them, they must love them a lot too, and hopefully the care will be loving.

My son is our foster-son, Sky, and you know that I love him like my own. As he grew older, I never stood between him and his birth family either, and the only reason I did at the beginning is because they were all active in various addictions. Today he sees them when he feels the need, and he knows that they love him even though they couldn't care for him.

I hope sharing that with you brings you some peace.

Just know that we love you and care and we are all holding your hand (let us know if it gets cramped LOL).

God is watching over them and you, Sky. You all are in good Hands.

Hugs
Ann

[margo]

((((((((((((Sky)))))))))))) I'm so sorry. I can't even begin to imagine the hurt you must be feeling right now. Please know that you and your grandkids are in my prayers.

[Juls]

Sky,

I can only repeat what the others have said. How sad for you. I hope and pray for you that someday you will able to see them and hold them again. I also hope and pray that they will be well loved and cared for by these people.

I think someone mentioned getting some legal help. Is this possible?

Juls

[wakowife]

sky: i'm not sure of what the situation is, but from what i do understand, yur grandkids are in foster care, are they being put up for adoption? you recently gave me advice about my neice and nephew, your grandkids know how much you love them, and they know how much you care, is there anyway that you can take care of them? what about getting some legal advice?? Remember, they system has changed a lot over the years, and today foster parents are screened more throughtly, if these people do want to adopt them, it means that they love them and want them to have a "normal" stable life. i cant even imagine how this must hurt you, but you have come to far and you are to wise to stop now, you have to look at the big picture here, what is the best things that you can do for those kids??? are the foster parents willing to let you have contact with the kids?
my prayers go out to all of you.
let me know if there is anything at all that i can do for you or for them.

Bernadette

[SkyIsFalling42]

Thank you all my sisters. I feel so weak when I am overwhelmed in the swamp of sadness in this. I know that is silly of me..my feelings are just that. Paulie im letting go now...your shirt tail is your own again. You really do help me so very much at these times. I remember your relationship with the children in your heart..and I feel so much hope. And Ann, you have helped me with this also through your sharing..thank you so much. Ladies I still love my God, and cant help but feel so very blessed with you all in my life.
Juls-I have done everything and anything moral and legal to keep this from happening. It is a long story, but I will just sum it up by saying that the supervisor decided that I told my grand daughter to lie, which I did not do. NO attorney would fight the accusations and they stuck..just accusations. I watched both of my grandchildren come into this world. And was the one who took care of them as a mother would. Brittany for 4 years, 2 months and 7 days and Cory for 2 years, 2 months and 13 days. Then they were given to their father who is a rapist. And he beat them and they were taken away and not placed with me because of the accusations of the supervisor. I know you may not believe this, as I might not have several years ago, but with God as my witness, it is the truth. I am still fighting and doing all that I can to get justice in this. I will never stop!
Again, thank you all so much, I really needed you today.

[Paulie]

Don't let go Sky...it is okay. Keep praying. As Ann is an example, there are wonderful foster parents out there in the world and I just know in my heart that those kids are with people who love then and adore them!!!

[bikerprincess]

You are in my prayers SKY. And thank you for keeping me sober another day! I am asking God to send you comfort and peace. I hope you can feel it!!

Anne

[Chy]

Ohh my dear Skysis,

Just saw this tonight and want to be there to give you love hugs and support. I'm as close as you can fee me here holding you tight. I just feel dreadful about this I can't imagine what else you are to encounter. I'll pray for them and wish them a beautiful life in which I hope you will someday be a part of. Love ya my sis!

[SkyIsFalling42]

Chy!!
I got my card!! It was wonderful to get today!! Thank you so much. And for the loving words you have given me.

Bikerprincess
I am not sure how I could have helped you?? But I surely am very glad that you are here with us in one piece and one day closer in your journey to become one with your soul. Thank you so much for the kind words and prayers. And truth be told, I truly can feel the strength, love and prayers here at times. It is such a comfort to me.
Tomorrow is a new day my sisters, clean sheet of paper. I am looking forward to it.

[Juls]

Sky,

I do believe you. I just wish I knew something to tell you that would be helpful.

Juls

[SkyIsFalling42]

Juls
You have helped me more than you know. You were here for me today.

[zoomer]

It's a sad day when the courts will not let family members adopt the grandkids. Believe or not some of the social services do twist the courts around for the foster parents because they like the foster parents or because of some other thing one person decides. Did you get a public defender or a private attorny? You could on your own start a court case on your own. You could first off sue the social service for slander or deffermation of caricture(sp). You could ask for the children to be placed with you until the court stuff is resolved. Most attorneys want money of course,but try your legal aid. The battered womens office in your aria might have more legal resourses than what you have been looking into. Not that you are a battered woman,but just say you have tried everyplace and cannot seem to find good legal help. It does sound like to me that you are being railroaded and the children are on the fast track of the social service to get tehm adopted by these foster parents. I need your full story if i can help. Sometimes people do not know where to call or only get stuck in the system because the system does not give them the information to seek outside help. let me know if I can help you. I can't change anything,but I'm great at making phone calls and exstracting information.

[SkyIsFalling42]

Zoomer
Thank you for you reply. Although it is very tough..it helps so much to talk about this. Not only can I not get custody, They took away my court ordered visitation with the kids, and I am not allowed to talk to or see them, at all.
When all of this hit the fan..I got a call from the abuser. He told me a caseworker at the DHS told him to get the kids someplace safe and leave them there. He asked me to take the kids and I did. I did not know exactly what was going on at the time. Apparently a neighbor called the DHS because of a beating he had dished out to brittany. On the 4th day that I had the kids, a DHS worker called and asked me to bring the kids to her, she needed to talk to them. There was also a police officer there. They took the kids from me, stating that it was because I had filed bankruptcy, and to get a paper stating this from my attorney and bring it to court on Monday. It was a friday that they took the kids. At court, a caseworker told me that the reason the kids were not placed with me was because of the accustions of the supervisor, and that i needed to get an attorney to fight the accusations. I hired an attorney, he said we could not fight the accusations. So I spent 2,500.00 and hired another attorney, he said we could not fight the accusations. And I swear to you with God as my witness that I never put words in brittanys mouth, ever. Her dad hit her with a broom, she had a bruise, I took her to the sheriff, I just wanted the abuse to stop, and the supervisor was irate about it. My motion to intervene was denied in court and my attorney just sat there. I had permission to use the state senator, clerk of courts and deputy clerk of courts as character witnesses, but the attorney never even used them. I had my grandchildren with me many times when I drove the senators car and marched in parades for him.
I worked at legal aid for several years, and have been using what I learned. I did all of my own documents and filed them myself the first time around.
The states get alot of money for children who are adopted out, alot of people in the groups I have been talking to feel this is the reason these things are happening. I am not alone in this..there are many people who have been treated this way by the system. They hide behind the "well they must have done something wrong" image the public has. It is an atrocity, a crime against humanity to steal one's family.
I sent out 11 complaints, over a hundred pages on September 23rd, the day of my grandmothers funeral. The main complaint was going to the social workers and counselors board. The problem is that i have been recently told that the caseworkers in this county do not need to be liscensed, as they are county employees. I do not know the outcome of the complaints, I do not think this board will be able to help if the workers are not liscensed. I have requested emplyment records for the supervisor and workers involved, which have been ignored. I do know that they supervisor had a wrongful death suit filed against her some years back. An attorney looked over all of the files that I have kept and said that the kids DO have a case against DHS. They will be able to file for up to 2 years after they turn 18. The system failed to protect them.
Money is an issue for me, as I have lost my home, job, integrity, family, alot. This is where my PTSD started, as the kids have lived very close to the life I did as a child. I am struggling to re-build my life, this has almost crushed me..it is so very unjust.
I would surely love any help that you may be able to give me. I am doing all that I can.
The biggest problem that i am facing is that the courts do not recognize me as having any legal rights where the kids are concerned, I am grandma, not mom. Their own mother and father do not even know their kids..I am the one who loved and kept them.

[zoomer]

(((((((((((Poor sky))))))))) one of the worst things a person can face is fighting a system that calls all the shots! Yes, unfortunatly there is big money in adoptions and in foster care! You had a run of bad luck are you OK Now? do you have a home to provide for the kids, a job... Ugh, when I was young I went to go get help for myself and ended up losing my sons. No one would help me! I had no idea that I was giving up my boys. i thought I was going back to my marrage and everything was my fault,so i needed help. I was told to stay away from my husband because he was going to kill me and call SS to get my sons. Well, as it turns out thank god, the SS did not have a case against my hubby, so the kids stayed with him and he used those poor boys to torment me! At one point I did stop calling the boys because my mind could not take any more! So after I remarried and I went to school bla bla bla, I got to see my boys again because my ex felt with a husband that I was stable enough. I was never unstable only abused by my ex! So my one son almost died and I went to fight with everything I had to get full coustody. unfortunatly I was still afraid the courts would decide in his favor and he threatened to have my girl taken too! ha, I felt he could do it because eh did it before! That is when my PTSD came out in full force! And I also thought of me doing the same thing to my sons that he did to me and my sons about not letting him see them. to make a long story short (even my boys were brained washed by my ex and lied to the courts about not being neglected by their dad). So to this day my friend I will never ever go back to court for any of my kids unless it's a matter of life and death. No matter how much good a person does with their life,someone who wants their way will find away to distroy that person. Sounds like to me that is what this one social worker did to you and the system lets them get away with it. Ask yourself and this is so important. Can you handle being torn apart again and again by this buricratic a-s-s holes? don't fool yourself too and you probibly know this by working for legal aid ... all the lawyors and judges and Social Service people know eachother and "work the system" like a game. Before you even get to court they all have decided what and who you are without even getting to know you and your story! I use to work in the Public Defenders office and just was amazed at how they all joked around and laughed at the people who they were going to court for. I did look up a few numbers on the net for you,but it sounds like you have more than what I could help you with by you working for legal aid and such! It's all heart breaking for sure! i too spent tons of money on my sons and legal fees! Anyway,ha I got one boy living with me now! Gee he is 17 and a bit of a bully and I wish i had him live with me at a younger age to keep him from some of the bad habbits he has developed! I can try to look up legal rights of grandparents and any organizations that will help if you want. It sounds though you need a marical (sp) to get those kids back! Poor you! I'm so sorry for you!

[51anna]

Sky, I truly cannot imagine the pain you must be going through, particularly as you say, it reminds you so much of your life. I did not know you had worked so hard already on establishing legal rights and I'm sorry you've hit a dead-end there. Dealing with the system must be endlessly frustrating! I wish I could offer some helpful advice, but all I can do is pray for you.

Sky, I want you to know that you have helped me in many ways since I have come to this board. Your wit, your level-headedness and your determination are qualities of yours that I put in my pocket and take with me after I read your posts and they help me get through my day.

My heart aches for you, but I know you will come through this, my friend.

Hugs and love, Anna

[SkyIsFalling42]

51Anna
You are a wonderful person, and have made me feel so good with what you said you put in your pocket and take with you. I want you to know that you are very insightful, loving, caring and articulate. I am so very happy that you are a part of my life and I feel that your value is more than words can express.
Your prayers are felt my sister, thank you.

Zoomer
You do know some of what I feel, thank you for sharing. And also thank you for taking the time to read my purging!!! I know what you are saying about your son..it is so hard at that age, for everyone involved. I am sending you some strength and prayers. I was very lucky working at legal aid, as my boss, the managing attorney is very spiritual and an awesome person. I did not have to put up with what you mentioned in the public defenders office(thank you God) But in 1992 I was the manager of democratic headquarters, and did get my eyes opened quite wide to the realities of politics. You are right.
Such is my dilemma: I cannot stand doing nothing about this, it is too much of a rape to me. And staying active in this wears to a frazzle at times..but being active is the only thing that has made me feel any better--it is the only thing that I can do at this point is fight. I have such a new born compassion for those innocent people who are sent to prison for crimes they did not commit. They lose their families also, and there is nothing more valuable on this earth than that.