Why do people force the disease and 12 steps on everyone else?
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You say that "Even doctors who are AA members overwhelmingly do not believe this."
I certainly haven't noticed this
I certainly haven't noticed this
There is more interesting reading on this here. You may also wish to learn how and why the AMA came to its current position by reading about Marty Mann.
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I dont see many doctors going around in the rooms, pronouncing to a room full of anonymous "members' that they are doctors. Very rarely have I ever heard that, and if I do its normally a new, or newer person who doesnt know any better.
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OK, Matt, these AA doctors attend their own meetings, and aren't generally interested in yours. If you are interested in theirs, you can maybe drop in - https://www.idaa.org/
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let me step in there.
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The title question of this thread raises a very valid point and a good reminder to those of us in 12 step programs.
I hope that I don't try to force my path to recovery on others, but I am sure that I have done so at some point(s) during my sobriety.
I just want everyone to be sober and healthy and I don't care who takes which avenue to arrive there.
I hope that I don't try to force my path to recovery on others, but I am sure that I have done so at some point(s) during my sobriety.
I just want everyone to be sober and healthy and I don't care who takes which avenue to arrive there.
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Originally Posted by soberlicious 
Dsober,
I don't see RR's counterpoints to AA as "knocking". Will you share specifics so I can better understand your viewpoint?
I don't see RR's counterpoints to AA as "knocking". Will you share specifics so I can better understand your viewpoint?
Trimpey's basic premise is AA is a religious based cult (stated) and Trimpey does his best to articulate a well verse argument to support this thesis to prop his program, AVRT up as an alternative to AA.
Am I missing something?
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Guys, you know what? So what? I don't get the argument. If its working for you, great. If not, move on and find something else. back in the day there wasn't much more than AA. Now that more is known about addiction, more can be done. plus, with this knowledge we drunks have a higher bottom. we get treatment earlier and with better results.
Just my opinion and observations.
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Originally Posted by jdooner
Trimpey's basic premise is AA is a religious based cult (stated) and Trimpey does his best to articulate a well verse argument to support this thesis to prop his program, AVRT up as an alternative to AA.
Am I missing something?
Am I missing something?
I asked which parts were seen as "knocking" because my interpretation is different. I see AA and RR as completely different paradigms, so of course each camp is going to have vastly differing viewpoints. Nothing shocking about that to me. Further, I can read things that I don't agree with without getting my knickers in a twist. Trimpey says what he says because he firmly believes it to be true. Wilson said what he said because he firmly believed it to be true. Neither is a big bad meanie pants for doing so.
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Exactly. But here's the thing...historically, other methods for quitting were at best dismissed, and at worse vilified. People have been legally mandated to attend AA. When an addicted individual sought help, the choices/options presented have been limited or nonexistent. Things are changing and that's good because people can find a method they can be successful with. That's hopeful.
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I also see AA and RR as completely different paradigms which have completely different viewpoints. Nothing shocking to me about that either. That being said, why does Trimpey need to comment on AA at all, let alone with characterizations like “religious cult”? Could it be he who has his knickers in a twist?
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