Message Boards and Forums Directory
ALCOHOL ADDICTION
12 STEPS
Discuss and learn more about these
following steps for AA
CHAT MEETINGS
Sunday
Monday
Tuesday
Wednesday
Thursday
Friday
Saturday
NARCOTICS ADDICTION
12 STEPS
Discuss and learn more about these
following steps for NA

Go Back   SoberRecovery : Alcoholism Drug Addiction Help and Information > All About Recovery > What is Recovery?
Register Blogs FAQ Calendar Arcade Mark Forums Read Chat Room [5]


Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 03-05-2009, 10:24 AM   #1 (permalink)
Member
 
JusToday's Avatar
 

Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: WI
Posts: 41
Blog Entries: 4
Relapse Prevention Tool Box (Collection)

1. REMEMBER YOUR LAST DRUNK/DRUG EPISODE:
Don't forget the hell you have been through. Dont allow minimizing or illusions of how simply "good" it was to creep in. Don't forget where you came from and why you needed treatment and help. You'll probably never forget how "wonderful" your first highs were, so (even more so) you can't allow yourself to ever forget how miserable really were INSIDE and where you were in the end.



2. USE THE 24 HOUR PLAN:
Stay clean and sober just for today. Don't worry about staying sober for the rest of you life. Don't burden yourself with the discouraging task of never using again. At times it may be focusing on just one hour at a time or even a each minute at a time, but keep your focus on the NOW. You can't stay clean for tomorrow or next week, but YOU CAN stay clean and sober for just for TODAY.



3. GO TO MEETINGS:
Regularly attendance at AA or NA meetings will greatly increase your chances of staying straight. Visit as many as you can each week (especially in early recovery). The simple truth is, whether we like it or not, we CANNOT do this on our own. There is no such thing as the "Lone-Ranger" Recovering Addict. Why? Because he just leaves and goes back uses again. Yes, it can be awkward meeting new people. Some groups may even turn you off or not fit all your "ideal" or expectations of what it should be like. But you keep looking, because they are out there. Many people just like you in all stages of recovery. Whatever you do, don’t give up on this one...it is way too important.



4. FIND A SPONSOR:
Continuing along the lines of "there is no Lone-Ranger recovering addict", we need to have someone who is not just acquainted with you, but (particularly early on) someone who can stand by your side in this recovery process. Someone who had been through what you are going through and who is committed to be there for you through your recovery. I know...I know...you think it will be hard finding someone like that...not as hard as you think. When you are working no. 3 on this list you will find that most support groups even have a list of people who are willing to be immediate temporary sponsors. Yes, it is a risk and it may take some time finding someone you really think is the right person to ask, but don't give up on it.

(Side Note: Keep your expectations realistically balanced with your need for a healthy recovery. Yes...caution is good, but don't just look for the "perfect" choice in personality and even how they look. Talk to some who have been around awhile and ask who they think might be a good fit. I hope that came across right.)

"The greatest oak tree was once a little nut who held its ground." ~That cool Author Unknown person again



5. TEMPTATION & URGES ARE TEMPORARY - "THIS TOO SHALL PASS"
It is critical to remember during the urges and times of temptation to use...that they do not last. The urge or thought to use can often seem like its a permanent leach attached to you, but it not. It is an illusion fed on by our addiction. Remember these words that have helped me and many others, "This too shall pass". The great hope and life saving light at the end of the tunnel for us is this fact. Urges and temptations will pass and in a short time more often then not. "Taking it one day at a time." is a great way for us to find hope that we can, just for this day, make it clean and sober. In the same way, we can handle these when we take them one urge/temptation at a time.



6. DON'T THINK...RUN!
Some times when the temptation to use raises it ugly head (and it will many times) there are times when it or the situation can be so intimidating removing yourself is the best option. There are times that we can mentally work through the emotions and temptations of an urge, but there will be times when you and I are simply weaker for whatever reason and at those times your best option to stay sober is to get the hell out of there as fast as you can. No thinking about it or playing around with the temptation of what is before you...run!



7. AVOID RESENTMENTS
Resentment can breed a false sense of being in "in the right", powerful and important. This is a luxury that, we in recovery, cannot afford. Resentment, simply put, is poison. It can quickly permeate your emotions and thinking and be a stepping stone to using. See letting go and forgiving as an important part of your recovery also. Its hard, but very freeing and it can be done.



8. WATCH OUT FOR SELF PITY
Self-pity is not only useless, but even dangerous for our recovery. It is like quicksand. If you stay in it long enough you will go under. Put a real effort into thinking positive. A relatively easy first step is always to start off finding things that you can be thankful for. Don't allow self pity to cloud your thinking and convince you that "whoa-is-me...I don't know what to be thankful for." You could always start with - your alive and not dead (when many of us in recovery well know that we could of been several times over by now). There are many other things to be thankful for if we just think it through for a moment.



9. AVOID COMPARING YOURSELF TO OTHERS:
Simply put, comparing yourself to others usually leads you to feel better than others or lesser than others. The results is either pride and arrogance or envy and self-pity. As you know, these things are stepping stones to relapse and using.

The only useful comparison you can make is to compare yourself TODAY with how you were yesterday. You will either see progress or a need for change. Bottom line...our "eyes" stay where they need to be...on ourselves.

Why waste your time comparing yourself with others when it can be so misleading and full of incorrect assumptions? Chew on this thought...Don't we tend to compare our own "insides" with only what we can presume is on another persons' "outside"?



9. BE CAUTIOUS OF CELEBRATIONS
The reality is that we are, at some point, going to find ourselves obligated to attend gatherings where alcohol and possibility drugs can be present. Weddings, funerals, holiday parties with family or co-workers for example. At these times, you need to be very careful. BEFORE you even go, IF you are feeling that you will tempted too much to use...DON'T second guess yourself! ("Oh, maybe I can handle it..." has been regrettable thinking for me in the past) DON'T GO...if at all possible. If for some reason, you must, protect your recovery. For example, bring someone supportive of your recovery with you. Another thing I have personally done when I am maybe feeling somewhat vulnerable or uncomfortable with a situation is to call my sponsor before I go into a situation and I call him right when I leave (or once I called while I was still at a gathering). PLEASE... just don't rely on "winging-it" to get you through.

Now, for some of us, not going to some of these things can hurt your reputation or your relationship with your family or friends. If i can speak forcefully for a moment...WHO CARES! There is NOTHING more important than your on-going recovery. I have heard some say, "But I'm being so selfish." and to that I have to say, "Absolutely!". But its a two sided coin...this selfishness in recovery. Selfishly, keep your recovery first and you will be a better person, co-worker, husband/wife, parent, and friend. Here's some good solid TRUTH to EMBRACE: As you and I keep our recovery #1 there are so many awesome transformations that take place in us as a person. Here's another cool TRUTH: The "fruit" of this apparent "selfishness" in our recovery is we become the very opposite of selfish. As we become healthier and healthier we naturally start to become a REAL person of character to our children, our family and friends. They will thank you and respect you for it more than you know (even if many of them wont ever say it )



10. BE CAUTIOUS OF CELEBRATIONS (Continued)
After thinking about the whole topic of "celebrations" I started to see another area in my life that this something I deal with in my recovery. It has to do with the cautions of the mental/emotional side of celebrating. In other words, there have been times (and continue to) that I am having a good day or that I did have come through a temptation to relapse and use victorious. It is good to enjoy and remember any good day or difficult urge we came through unscathed. But it's in those times of celebrating that I have also caught myself also lowering my "guard" so to speak. Sort of relaxing a bit and the urge to reward one's self or celebrate a bit can lead me to actually put me right back in a dangerous place. Not to make this confusing, but I have found it an important thing to keep in mind for at least myself.

In boxing, a small strike with the lead hand to the opponent is typically called a jab and you will see boxers use it alot. What his opponent has to do is to keep two things in mind about that jab: (1) Keep your guard up. A smart striker knows too keep both of his hand up near their head to guard his head and not low to their waist. (2) He has to keep in mind that this lead jab he is succesfully dodging at the moment has another sneaky and dangerous purpose. A jab is, often times, used to actually help set the opponents attention away from the much more powerful and painful cross punch (Sorry for the illustration for you non-boxing fans, its just what came to mind for me).

In the same way, on a number of occasions in the past, I have been that guy successfully dodging the jabs coming at me. I also tend to find myself feeling pretty good about that as well, while still cautious of those big cross punches that can come. Every once in awhile though, I have caught myself feeling pretty good that I have been dodging the jabs of life and addiction and then "POW!" I get hit by a right cross that just hurts. Why'd this happen? Because I lowered my guard and didn't stay alert anymore.

With that in mind, you do have a lot to be proud of for sticking it out with the "fight for your recovery". If you have been clean and sober for 3 days, 3 weeks or 3 months, it takes an unbelievable amount of strength and courage to do what you do. You are a hero in my book. BUT, always keep a guarded stance with how you're doing, even when you are doing well.



11. ACCEPT HELP!:
Far too often refusing to ask for help seemed to be the one thing that could of prevented me from relapse. Unfortunately, we seem to come up with 100 reasons why we need to not ask for help when we so often do. The funny and sad thing is when you look at many of our reasons after the fact they seem pretty ridiculous.

From the fear of what people will think of us, procrastination or the ridiculous notion that we can handle it ourselves...they are ways of thinking we must put an end to. "No man is an island" is so true here. And in this case we are NOT each on our own little island. The fact is its an island with a bunch of us addicts and alcoholics on the same island living on it together. END the cycle and temptation in your life to not reach out fight for your recovery by reaching out to those who can help you. You will be pleasantly surprised how things will go for you when you ask someone for HELP.



12. KEEP SOBRIETY YOUR #1 GOAL
When you were drinking and/or using your commitment to getting drunk or high came before anything and anyone else. In recovery, your commitment to sobriety must come first, before anyone or anything else. Those who allow their sobriety to take second place, soon lose sight of it altogether. Many of us doubt (especially early in recovery) that we aren't sure if we have what it takes to be sober, but just isn't true. When you consider how much energy, passion, creativity and commitment we had to our vise...there is no reason to question IF we have it in us. It is a matter of gradually tapping into that as we get healthy.

Think about it in terms of having a life long disease also. For example, if you have diabetes (I am sorry anyone that does have it) you don’t put off or forget to take your insulin, because you know that if you do, things can turn from good to bad very quickly. It is something that you have to integrate as a vital part of your life to enjoy living from now on. The good news is it isn’t burdensome as some may think…it actually becomes a great source for personal growth and enjoying life!
JusToday is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
The Following 26 Users Say Thank You to JusToday For This Useful Post:
24hrsAday (03-10-2009), ajane (05-19-2009), Angelic17 (03-05-2009), Beard82 (11-08-2009), bike4life (04-22-2009), citychick (04-22-2009), ClassicalCat (03-09-2009), Dee74 (04-21-2009), Dime (03-10-2009), DP33496 (06-30-2009), electrickery (04-22-2009), FightOn (03-23-2009), fragrantrose (11-02-2009), fulminouscherub (04-28-2009), Helene (04-01-2009), Jespah (07-13-2009), kj3880 (03-17-2009), ogre (06-16-2009), OzSandy (03-05-2009), PaperDolls (04-22-2009), paulmh (04-22-2009), TheSunAlsoRises (10-31-2009), tk1fry (04-06-2009), vegibean (03-16-2009), WakeUp (11-01-2009), whiskerkissed (04-28-2009)
Old 03-05-2009, 10:29 AM   #2 (permalink)
Member
 

Join Date: Sep 2008
Posts: 175
Thank you I needed this today!
SoberforME is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to SoberforME For This Useful Post:
JusToday (03-05-2009), karrotop (05-26-2009)
Old 03-05-2009, 01:08 PM   #3 (permalink)
One day at a time
 
Angelic17's Avatar
 

Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: NJ/NY area
Posts: 478
Blog Entries: 5
Those are words for an addict to live by. Thanks so much.
__________________
Love the addict

Hate the disease
Angelic17 is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to Angelic17 For This Useful Post:
JusToday (03-16-2009)
Old 03-09-2009, 03:33 PM   #4 (permalink)
Member
 
Dime's Avatar
 

Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Soberland, USA
Posts: 930
Thanks for posting. Above all "keep it simple" helps me get through the day.
Dime is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
The Following 3 Users Say Thank You to Dime For This Useful Post:
JusToday (03-16-2009), KenL (03-16-2009), Zencat (04-21-2009)
Old 03-10-2009, 09:12 PM   #5 (permalink)
Member
 

Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Omaha, NE
Posts: 1
Thanks for the post. I needed that. I am 45 days sober today. That's 15 days longer than I have ever been sober before, so it's all new to me. Been looking for some good tools and it looks like I came to the right place.
Mnoriega is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
The Following 4 Users Say Thank You to Mnoriega For This Useful Post:
24hrsAday (03-10-2009), Dime (03-10-2009), JusToday (03-16-2009), yeahgr8 (04-22-2009)
Old 03-10-2009, 09:31 PM   #6 (permalink)
Member
 
Dime's Avatar
 

Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Soberland, USA
Posts: 930
Hi Mnoriega,
Congrats on the 45 days!! There are tools and resources galore here and whole lots of sober people that "Been There" to help.
Dime is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 03-10-2009, 09:54 PM   #7 (permalink)
Member
 
24hrsAday's Avatar
 

Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: right next to lake michigan..
Posts: 765
a good list indeed.. thanks for that!
24hrsAday is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to 24hrsAday For This Useful Post:
JusToday (03-16-2009)
Old 03-16-2009, 09:40 AM   #8 (permalink)
Member
 
JusToday's Avatar
 

Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: WI
Posts: 41
Blog Entries: 4
Relapse Prevention Tool Box (Continued)

13. Use the 12 Steps for Pete's Sake! (Whoever Peter is...sorry)
Now, this one is a controversial one for some, because we can tend to think we can do this "recovery thing" our own way. Yeah...I have always been somewhat of an unorthodox rebel myself, but the truth is when I am sick with a disease like ours doing our own "Step Thing" is pretty ridiculous if you just think it through.

It is like going to my doctor and he informs me that I have a disease, but there are some time tested and well research things that I can do to actually manage it well and live a good long life still. And I respond, by saying, "Well, that's great doc, but for me I might do some of it, but I think I will create my own process to deal with the disease."

Sounds silly, but think of it this way...not only do I have little experience and knowledge of how to do this...frankly my state-of-mind (as an addict/alcoholic) is typically not in the healthiest place to even "see" (things can be quite foggy for us especially early on) things properly so they can be dealt with. In other words, it would essentially be like I was a blind 6 year old trying to tell the doc..."I think I can do it my way or with my own steps". Not much of a chance of success eh?

For the love of Yourself and Your Recovery...use the 12 Step program or an existing one that has had a lot of success, but don't believe for a second that you can do it "My way" (sorry Frank, your song does not work well in the world of recovery )

Work the Steps and they will work for you. They are an excellent guide to becoming the New You!
JusToday is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to JusToday For This Useful Post:
kj3880 (03-17-2009)
Old 03-16-2009, 04:20 PM   #9 (permalink)
Member
 
vegibean's Avatar
 

Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: N. Palm Beach, Floriduh
Posts: 1,468
AMEN!!!!! And take that to the bank!!

Thank you for posting that. It's good to read something that I haven't read in a while. Keep it Green.
vegibean is online now  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to vegibean For This Useful Post:
JusToday (03-24-2009)
Old 03-17-2009, 07:29 AM   #10 (permalink)
Some French tart....
 
Tish28's Avatar
 

Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Courville-sur-Eure. France.
Posts: 239
If you have a problem relating to God in a religious way, you can use Good Orderly Direction to work through the twelve steps. A tip handed to me by a fellow member who has his head and recovery in the right place.
I also find journalling a HUGE help. I remember where I was and know why I don't want to go there ever again, EVER!!
Tish28 is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to Tish28 For This Useful Post:
FightOn (03-23-2009)
Old 03-17-2009, 04:57 PM   #11 (permalink)
Member
 
kj3880's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: md
Posts: 2,796
My thoughts exactly! I'm coming up on my first anniversary, and I can't tell you how many newcomers have been asking me "How did you get to a year clean? How???? I can never string any time together, I keep going back out." But when I tell them what I did (um..sponsor, network, lots of meetings, lots of stepwork, give up the relationships, calling other addicts every day, avoiding people, places, and things, etc...) they never want to do all that stuff. They basically all say the same thing: "But, I feel I'm different because of X,Y, or Z." At that point, I just smile and try to walk away from them. It is a waste of time to keep repeating myself when someone isn't ready...If ya want what I have, you're gonna have to do what I do. I'm sad for people who aren't ready.

KJ
kj3880 is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to kj3880 For This Useful Post:
JusToday (03-24-2009), Missybuns (03-17-2009)
Old 04-03-2009, 06:55 AM   #12 (permalink)
Member
 
JusToday's Avatar
 

Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: WI
Posts: 41
Blog Entries: 4
The Relapse Prevention Tool Box

13. Use the 12 Steps for Pete's Sake! (Whoever Peter is...sorry)

Now, this one is a controversial one for some, because we can tend to think we can do this "recovery thing" our own way. Yeah...I have always been somewhat of an unorthodox rebel myself, but the truth is when I am sick with a disease like ours doing our own "Step Thing" is pretty ridiculous if you just think it through.

It is like going to my doctor and he informs me that I have a disease, but there are some time tested and well research things that I can do to actually manage it well and live a good long life still. And I respond, by saying, "Well, that's great doc, but for me I might do some of it, but I think I will create my own process to deal with the disease."

Sounds silly, but think of it this way...not only do I have little experience and knowledge of how to do this...frankly my state-of-mind (as an addict/alcoholic) is typically not in the healthiest place to even "see" (things can be quite foggy for us especially early on) things properly so they can be dealt with. In other words, it would essentially be like I was a blind 6 year old trying to tell the doc..."I think I can do it my way or with my own steps". Not much of a chance of success eh?

For the love of Yourself and Your Recovery...use the 12 Step program or an existing one that has had a lot of success, but don't believe for a second that you can do it "My way" (sorry Frank, your song does not work well in the world of recovery )

Work the Steps and they will work for you. They are an excellent guide to becoming the New You!


14. Remember the H.A.L.T. Principles

H = Hungry, A = Angry, L = Lonely, T = Tired. These are states you want to avoid where possible and have the awareness to do something about as soon you feel any of them coming on. Though, these appear to be very simple things to be aware of in your daily life, they are surprisingly connected to so many relapses.

Anger is probably the hardest one to deal with and it's not as obvious what you need to do about it as with the other ones ...The trick to dealing with anger is to forgive and let go. But how do you do that practically ...? Though this may sound a bit corny for some of you, consider responding to your feelings of anger (as hard as it may be) with the very opposite response: like a prayer or blessing for whatever or whoever makes you feel that anger. Wish upon that person all the good things you'd want for yourself ... and you'll be amazed at how your anger dissolves. Then just repeat as needed. Trust me it can work. Its amazing what can happen to you personally when we make a stand against particular unhealthy feelings we have fallen into a habit of just responding the same way with over and over.

All anger does is poison you and your mind. How does that benefit you?

By consciously wishing good things upon someone you don't like - and dare I say it, even hate (because your resentment does nothing to them, it only poisons you) - you stop thinking about them less and less until in your own mind they hardly figure any more.

It doesn't mean you have to like a particular person, but by letting go of your anger and resentment those intense feelings that could very easily see you relapse are dissolved. So the trade-off for you becomes peace of mind (man, I'll take that wherever I can get it!).

Your addiction recovery process is a journey of self discovery. And if you're committed to that journey, the more you work on your personal growth and self-development will ensure that your life continues to evolve and improve beyond what you ever imagined possible.
JusToday is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
The Following 4 Users Say Thank You to JusToday For This Useful Post:
californiapoppy (07-06-2009), Dee74 (04-21-2009), electrickery (04-22-2009), Gauri (05-09-2009)
Old 04-04-2009, 09:46 AM   #13 (permalink)
ONE is too many!
 
SugarScars's Avatar
 

Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: South City, USA
Posts: 156
Blog Entries: 20
THANK YOU! I am printing this out and keeping this with me at all times.
SugarScars is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to SugarScars For This Useful Post:
JusToday (04-06-2009)
Old 04-21-2009, 05:35 PM   #14 (permalink)
Member
 
JusToday's Avatar
 

Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: WI
Posts: 41
Blog Entries: 4
The Relapse Prevention Tool Box

15. BE WILLING TO GO TO ANY LENGTH FOR YOUR RECOVERY

When we were drinking or using, we got to the point that we willing to do whatever it took to get our "fix". Things we never thought we would do, say or think, we ended up being willing to do. I was a "fool" for my addiction, fearless and willing to do things without much concern about what others thought or the consequences. Now we have to have that same commitment to our recovery. To be "Fools for Recovery". I like the sound of that!

We need to be willing to stand up for our recovery with purpose and confidence. Why? Because of what's at stake here. What is at stake? YOU (and those in your life) and the fact that you do have value and purpose (still). This is your personal battle and you need to stand up and fight for it (and its a fight for your life).

So, if you find yourself in a bad situation and you can't get a hold of your sponsor...RUN! Be willing to get out of there and don't think about what how others will react or think. If you are staring at a bunch of pills you shouldn't be using...STOP STARING at them and dump them in the toilet! If you are threatened at gun point to use and the only way to not have to go through with it is to put a chicken suit on and run around making chicken sounds...DO IT! :

Now I may be being a bit over dramatic, but I hope you get the "heart" of what I am saying. Until next time...
JusToday is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to JusToday For This Useful Post:
Dee74 (04-21-2009)
Old 04-21-2009, 07:47 PM   #15 (permalink)
Member
 
jimhere's Avatar
 

Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Everett, WA
Posts: 2,323
If I could prevent my next relapse, I wouldn't need God.
jimhere is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 04-21-2009, 08:48 PM   #16 (permalink)
Member
 
JusToday's Avatar
 

Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: WI
Posts: 41
Blog Entries: 4
Quote:
Originally Posted by jimhere View Post
If I could prevent my next relapse, I wouldn't need God.
Not sure what you mean there, so I will just reverse your statement.

Since you have God, you can prevent your next relapse.

God has provided the strength and the tools to do so. Now we have to do our part.
JusToday is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 04-21-2009, 10:49 PM   #17 (permalink)
Member
 
jimhere's Avatar
 

Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Everett, WA
Posts: 2,323
Quote:
Originally Posted by JusToday View Post
Not sure what you mean there, so I will just reverse your statement.

Since you have God, you can prevent your next relapse.

God has provided the strength and the tools to do so. Now we have to do our part.
So, if you don't know what I mean, why do you presume to put your words to what I mean?

Sorry, I shouldn't have posted my original post. Should've known that it would go over the heads of most on this board. My mistake. If I have to explain, you wouldn't get it anyway.
jimhere is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 04-22-2009, 12:08 AM   #18 (permalink)
SR's Secular Greeter Cat.
 
Zencat's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Ventura Co. California USA
Posts: 2,522
Blog Entries: 7
Thanks for taking the time to post this JusToday. Many of the things said on this tread will be of a great addition to my personalized addiction treatment plan.
__________________


“Vision without action is a daydream. Action without vision is a nightmare.”
-Japanese Proverb



Zencat is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to Zencat For This Useful Post:
JusToday (04-22-2009)
Old 04-22-2009, 01:31 AM   #19 (permalink)
Member
 
JusToday's Avatar
 

Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: WI
Posts: 41
Blog Entries: 4
Quote:
Originally Posted by jimhere View Post
So, if you don't know what I mean, why do you presume to put your words to what I mean?

Sorry, I shouldn't have posted my original post. Should've known that it would go over the heads of most on this board. My mistake. If I have to explain, you wouldn't get it anyway.
I did my best to interpret what you meant by the words you provided my friend. Either way, no offense was meant. I will just stick to what I am meaning and that is relapse is a very preventable thing that we can do one day at a time. And that's great news for us! I wish you best Jimhere.
JusToday is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to JusToday For This Useful Post:
PaperDolls (04-22-2009), paulmh (04-22-2009)
Old 04-22-2009, 01:35 PM   #20 (permalink)
Member
 

Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: San Francisco, California
Posts: 20
Nice information you have here. It would really help those who are still struggling from addiction.
sarahmills is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to sarahmills For This Useful Post:
JusToday (04-23-2009)
Old 04-22-2009, 09:46 PM   #21 (permalink)
Member
 
electrickery's Avatar
 

Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: travelling - currently Philadelphia PA
Posts: 103
Blog Entries: 2
Thanks so much for all those tips....

Some I have been doing and others I will add. It was particularly interesting to read you 10th point - the celebrations part 2. That's a HUGE trigger for me - when I have been drug and alcohol free for a while, feeling good, everything going well... healthy, happy, good relationship... so I start to feel high on life and so what better way to celebrate? yep that's right... I feel invincible and so drink/take drugs.

i never understood why that happens? why the self sabotage? its the surest, fastest path back to hell *sigh*
electrickery is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to electrickery For This Useful Post:
JusToday (04-23-2009)
Old 04-23-2009, 11:00 AM   #22 (permalink)
Member
 
JusToday's Avatar
 

Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: WI
Posts: 41
Blog Entries: 4
Quote:
Originally Posted by electrickery View Post
Thanks so much for all those tips....

Some I have been doing and others I will add. It was particularly interesting to read you 10th point - the celebrations part 2. That's a HUGE trigger for me - when I have been drug and alcohol free for a while, feeling good, everything going well... healthy, happy, good relationship... so I start to feel high on life and so what better way to celebrate? yep that's right... I feel invincible and so drink/take drugs.

i never understood why that happens? why the self sabotage? its the surest, fastest path back to hell *sigh*
Well articulated and man...so relatable! I have found myself there too many times and still trying to put it together myself. I do think though, that it does have something to do with, a state of mind I can still get in (having to do with or without my recovery) that say, "I deserve to celebrate and celebrating to me is...(fill in the blank).".

Especially for a cynic, I have found and still am learning that celebrating is a healthy thing that can produce a lot of positive things for me (gratitude, appreciation etc.), the problem is I have been "programmed" with unhealthy ways of celebrating for most of my adult life! This journey of recovery is all about reprogramming ourselves to celebrate the "good times and good stuff" in life with things that are still "good" for us. One thing I know that is not good for me, in terms of celebrating, is anything that puts my mind and heart in a place of "lowering my guard". Which in turn, is the door way for me to permit just anything that make me feel good. So, I am learning to celebrate in healthier ways...(learning, mind you).

You said a key phase that may help a bit in possibly understanding why we get ourselves in that situation, "... I feel invincible...". I know and feel exactly what you mean here. It feels good to "feel good" and there is a sense of confidence assurance that comes with this feeling, especially when things are actually going good for us. The problem with this for us is these good times can lead us into a sense of false confidence. That false confidence often leads me right down the road to lowering my guard and going right to what is not healthy and good for my recovery. I hope that makes sense.

For us addicts and alcoholics, I think it has to come down to keeping up our guard and maintaining a "sober" and realistic perspective (unlike the average "Joe"), even when we are celebrating. Thanks for letting me babble. It helped me just typing this out.
JusToday is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to JusToday For This Useful Post:
electrickery (04-23-2009)
Old 04-23-2009, 09:45 PM   #23 (permalink)
Member
 
electrickery's Avatar
 

Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: travelling - currently Philadelphia PA
Posts: 103
Blog Entries: 2
Learning how to celebrate with things that are good for us - yep that's a big one. Something I am along way from doing... with alcohol especially. I cant really cant imagine a birthday or other celebration without it... its so deeply ingrained - this year is going to be interesting. At least I don't know what will happen (as in the usual get drunk/trashed, wake up feeling ****)... or how I will feel... there is something exciting in the freshness of experience too.
electrickery is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to electrickery For This Useful Post:
JusToday (04-24-2009)
Old 04-27-2009, 11:33 PM   #24 (permalink)
Member
 
JusToday's Avatar
 

Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: WI
Posts: 41
Blog Entries: 4
Quote:
Originally Posted by electrickery View Post
Learning how to celebrate with things that are good for us - yep that's a big one. Something I am along way from doing... with alcohol especially. I cant really cant imagine a birthday or other celebration without it... its so deeply ingrained - this year is going to be interesting. At least I don't know what will happen (as in the usual get drunk/trashed, wake up feeling ****)... or how I will feel... there is something exciting in the freshness of experience too.
Thanks for sharing. I hear ya. So glad we just need to take it one day at a time.
JusToday is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 10-31-2009, 11:29 AM   #25 (permalink)
Member
 

Join Date: Oct 2009
Posts: 7
Great read thanks!
Wildman74 is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks


Currently Active Users Viewing this Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are Off



All times are GMT -7. The time now is 04:31 AM.


 

© 2007 SoberRecovery, LLC.
A proud member of the SoberRecovery® Network of Addiction and Recovery Websites

The SoberRecovery Forums are operated under a grant from The Mulligan Group


1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 50 51 52 53 54 55 56 57 58 59 60 61 62 63 64 65 66 67 68 69 70 71 72 73 74 75 76 77 78 79 80 81 82 83 84 85 86 87 88 89 90 91 92 93 94 95 96 97 98 99 100 101 102 103 104 105 106 107 108 109 110 111 112 113 114 115 116 117 118 119 120 121 122 123 124 125 126 127 128 129 130 131 132 133 134 135 136 137 138 139 140 141 142 143 144 145 146 147 148 149 150 151 152 153 154 155 156 157 158 159 160 161 162 163 164 165 166 167 168 169 170 171 172 173 174 175 176 177 178 179 180 181 182 183 184 185 186 187 188 189 190 191 192 193 194 195 196 197 198 199 200 201 202 203 204 205 206 207 208 209 210 211 212 213 214 215 216 217 218 219 220 221 222 223 224 225 226 227 228 229 230 231 232 233 234 235 236 237 238 239 240 241 242 243 244 245 246 247 248 249 250 251 252 253 254 255 256 257 258 259 260 261 262 263 264 265 266 267 268 269 270 271 272 273 274 275 276 277 278 279 280 281 282 283 284 285 286 287 288 289 290 291 292 293 294 295 296 297 298 299 300 301 302 303 304 305 306 307 308 309 310 311 312 313 314 315 316 317 318 319 320 321 322 323 324 325 326 327 328 329 330 331 332 333 334 335 336 337 338 339 340 341 342 343 344 345 346 347 348 349 350 351 352 353 354 355 356 357 358 359 360 361 362 363 364 365 366 367 368 369 370 371 372 373 374 375 376 377 378 379 380 381 382 383 384 385 386 387 388 389 390 391 392 393 394 395 396 397 398 399 400 401 402 403 404 405 406 407 408 409 410 411 412 413 414 415 416 417 418 419 420 421 422 423 424 425 426 427 428 429 430 431 432 433 434 435 436 437 438 439 440 441 442 443 444 445 446 447 448 449 450 451 452 453 454 455 456 457 458 459 460 461 462 463 464 465 466 467 468 469 470 471 472 473 474 475 476 477 478 479 480 481 482 483 484 485 486 487 488 489 490 491 492 493 494 495 496 497 498 499 500 501 502 503 504 505 506 507 508 509 510 511 512 513 514 515 516 517 518 519 520 521 522 523 524 525 526 527 528 529 530 531 532 533 534 535 536 537 538 539 540 541 542 543 544 545 546 547 548 549 550 551 552 553 554 555 556 557 558 559 560 561 562 563 564 565 566 567 568 569 570 571 572 573 574 575 576 577 578 579 580 581 582 583 584 585 586 587 588 589 590 591 592 593 594 595 596 597 598 599 600 601 602 603 604 605 606 607 608 609 610 611 612 613 614 615 616 617 618 619 620 621 622 623 624 625 626 627 628 629 630 631 632 633 634 635 636 637 638 639 640 641 642 643 644 645 646 647 648 649 650 651 652 653 654 655 656 657 658 659 660 661 662 663 664 665 666 667 668 669 670 671 672 673 674 675 676 677 678 679 680 681 682 683 684 685 686 687 688 689 690 691 692 693 694 695 696 697 698 699 700 701 702 703 704 705 706 707 708 709 710 711 712 713 714 715 716 717 718 719 720 721 722 723 724 725 726 727 728 729 730 731 732 733 734 735 736 737 738 739 740 741 742 743 744 745 746 747 748 749 750 751 752 753 754 755 756 757 758 759 760 761 762 763 764 765 766 767 768 769 770 771 772 773 774 775 776 777 778 779 780 781 782 783 784 785 786 787 788 789 790 791 792 793 794 795 796 797 798 799 800 801 802 803 804 805 806 807 808 809 810 811 812 813 814 815 816 817 818 819 820 821 822 823 824 825 826 827 828 829 830 831 832 833 834 835 836 837 838 839 840 841 842 843 844 845 846 847 848 849 850 851 852 853 854 855 856 857 858 859 860 861 862 863 864 865 866 867 868 869 870 871 872 873 874 875 876 877 878 879 880 881 882 883 884 885 886 887 888 889 890 891 892 893 894 895 896 897 898 899 900 901 902 903 904 905 906 907 908 909 910 911 912 913 914 915 916 917 918 919 920 921 922 923 924 925 926 927 928 929 930 931 932 933 934 935 936 937 938 939 940 941 942 943 944 945 946 947 948 949 950 951 952 953 954 955 956 957 958 959 960 961 962 963 964 965 966 967 968 969 970 971 972 973 974 975 976 977 978 979 980 981 982 983 984 985 986 987 988 989 990 991 992 993 994 995 996 997 998 999 1000 1001 1002 1003 1004 1005 1006 1007 1008 1009 1010 1011 1012 1013 1014 1015 1016 1017 1018 1019 1020 1021 1022 1023 1024 1025 1026 1027 1028 1029 1030 1031 1032 1033 1034 1035 1036 1037 1038 1039 1040 1041 1042 1043 1044 1045 1046 1047 1048 1049 1050 1051 1052 1053 1054 1055 1056 1057 1058 1059 1060 1061 1062 1063 1064 1065 1066 1067 1068 1069 1070 1071 1072 1073 1074 1075 1076 1077 1078 1079 1080 1081 1082 1083 1084 1085 1086 1087 1088 1089 1090 1091 1092 1093 1094 1095 1096 1097 1098 1099 1100 1101 1102 1103 1104 1105 1106 1107 1108 1109 1110 1111 1112 1113 1114 1115 1116 1117 1118 1119 1120 1121 1122 1123 1124 1125 1126 1127 1128 1129 1130 1131 1132 1133 1134 1135 1136 1137 1138 1139 1140 1141 1142 1143 1144 1145 1146 1147 1148 1149 1150 1151 1152 1153 1154 1155 1156 1157 1158 1159 1160 1161 1162 1163 1164 1165 1166 1167 1168 1169 1170 1171 1172 1173 1174 1175 1176 1177 1178 1179 1180 1181 1182 1183 1184 1185 1186 1187 1188 1189 1190 1191 1192 1193 1194 1195 1196 1197 1198 1199 1200 1201 1202 1203 1204 1205 1206 1207 1208 1209 1210 1211 1212 1213 1214 1215 1216 1217 1218 1219 1220 1221 1222 1223 1224 1225 1226 1227 1228 1229 1230 1231 1232 1233 1234 1235 1236 1237 1238 1239 1240 1241 1242 1243 1244 1245 1246 1247 1248 1249 1250 1251 1252 1253 1254 1255 1256 1257 1258 1259 1260 1261 1262 1263 1264 1265 1266 1267 1268 1269 1270 1271 1272 1273 1274 1275 1276 1277 1278 1279 1280 1281 1282 1283 1284 1285 1286 1287 1288 1289 1290 1291 1292 1293 1294 1295 1296 1297 1298 1299 1300 1301 1302 1303 1304 1305 1306 1307 1308 1309 1310 1311 1312 1313 1314 1315 1316 1317 1318 1319 1320 1321 1322 1323 1324 1325 1326 1327 1328 1329 1330 1331 1332 1333 1334 1335 1336 1337 1338 1339 1340 1341 1342 1343 1344 1345 1346 1347 1348 1349 1350 1351 1352 1353 1354 1355 1356 1357 1358 1359 1360 1361 1362 1363 1364 1365 1366 1367 1368 1369 1370 1371 1372 1373 1374 1375 1376 1377 1378 1379 1380 1381 1382 1383 1384 1385 1386 1387 1388 1389 1390 1391 1392 1393 1394 1395 1396 1397 1398 1399 1400 1401 1402 1403 1404 1405 1406 1407 1408 1409 1410 1411 1412 1413 1414 1415 1416 1417 1418 1419 1420 1421 1422 1423 1424 1425 1426 1427 1428 1429 1430 1431 1432 1433 1434 1435 1436 1437 1438 1439 1440 1441 1442 1443 1444 1445 1446 1447 1448 1449 1450 1451 1452 1453 1454 1455 1456 1457 1458 1459 1460 1461 1462 1463 1464 1465 1466 1467 1468 1469 1470 1471 1472 1473 1474 1475 1476 1477 1478 1479 1480 1481 1482 1483 1484 1485 1486 1487 1488 1489 1490 1491 1492 1493 1494 1495 1496 1497 1498 1499 1500 1501 1502 1503 1504 1505 1506 1507 1508 1509 1510 1511 1512 1513 1514 1515 1516 1517 1518 1519 1520 1521 1522 1523 1524 1525 1526 1527 1528 1529 1530 1531 1532 1533 1534 1535 1536 1537 1538 1539 1540 1541 1542 1543 1544 1545 1546 1547 1548 1549 1550 1551 1552 1553 1554 1555 1556 1557 1558 1559 1560 1561 1562 1563 1564 1565 1566 1567 1568 1569 1570 1571 1572 1573 1574 1575 1576 1577 1578 1579 1580 1581 1582 1583 1584 1585 1586 1587 1588 1589 1590 1591 1592 1593 1594 1595 1596 1597 1598 1599 1600 1601 1602 1603 1604 1605 1606 1607 1608 1609 1610 1611 1612 1613 1614 1615 1616 1617 1618 1619 1620 1621 1622 1623 1624 1625 1626 1627 1628 1629 1630 1631 1632 1633 1634 1635 1636 1637 1638 1639 1640 1641 1642 1643 1644 1645 1646 1647 1648 1649 1650 1651 1652 1653 1654 1655 1656 1657 1658 1659 1660 1661 1662 1663 1664 1665 1666 1667 1668 1669 1670 1671 1672 1673 1674 1675 1676 1677 1678 1679 1680 1681 1682 1683 1684 1685 1686 1687 1688 1689 1690 1691 1692 1693 1694 1695 1696 1697 1698 1699 1700 1701 1702 1703 1704 1705 1706 1707 1708 1709 1710 1711 1712 1713 1714 1715 1716 1717 1718 1719 1720 1721 1722 1723 1724 1725 1726 1727 1728 1729 1730 1731 1732 1733 1734 1735 1736 1737 1738 1739 1740 1741 1742 1743 1744 1745 1746 1747 1748 1749 1750 1751 1752 1753 1754 1755 1756 1757 1758 1759 1760 1761 1762 1763 1764 1765 1766 1767 1768 1769 1770 1771 1772 1773 1774 1775 1776 1777 1778 1779 1780 1781 1782 1783 1784 1785 1786 1787 1788 1789 1790 1791 1792 1793 1794 1795 1796 1797 1798 1799 1800 1801 1802 1803 1804 1805 1806 1807 1808 1809 1810 1811 1812 1813 1814 1815 1816 1817 1818 1819 1820 1821 1822 1823 1824 1825 1826 1827 1828 1829 1830 1831 1832 1833 1834 1835 1836 1837 1838 1839 1840 1841 1842 1843 1844 1845 1846 1847 1848 1849 1850 1851 1852 1853 1854 1855 1856 1857 1858 1859 1860 1861 1862 1863 1864 1865 1866 1867 1868 1869 1870 1871 1872 1873 1874 1875 1876 1877 1878 1879 1880 1881 1882 1883 1884 1885 1886 1887 1888 1889 1890 1891 1892 1893 1894 1895 1896 1897 1898 1899 1900 1901 1902 1903 1904 1905 1906 1907 1908 1909 1910 1911 1912 1913 1914 1915 1916 1917 1918 1919 1920 1921 1922 1923 1924 1925 1926 1927 1928 1929 1930 1931 1932 1933 1934 1935 1936 1937 1938 1939 1940 1941 1942 1943 1944 1945 1946 1947 1948 1949 1950 1951 1952 1953 1954 1955 1956 1957 1958 1959 1960 1961 1962 1963 1964 1965 1966 1967 1968 1969 1970 1971 1972 1973 1974 1975 1976 1977 1978 1979 1980 1981 1982 1983 1984 1985 1986 1987 1988 1989 1990 1991 1992 1993 1994 1995 1996 1997 1998 1999 2000 2001 2002 2003 2004 2005 2006 2007 2008 2009 2010 2011 2012 2013 2014 2015 2016 2017 2018 2019 2020 2021 2022 2023 2024 2025 2026 2027 2028 2029 2030 2031 2032 2033 2034 2035 2036 2037 2038 2039 2040 2041 2042 2043 2044 2045 2046 2047 2048 2049 2050 2051 2052 2053 2054 2055 2056 2057 2058 2059 2060 2061 2062 2063 2064 2065 2066 2067 2068 2069 2070 2071 2072 2073