coming off oxys
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coming off oxys
today i star to come off oxys i have been battling with this for 2 years and am now doing 120-160mg a day its ruining my life my wife won't take it and we have a baby on the way, i have been off for a day and using perks to help with the first day then plan on using suboxone I'm so down on myself and i feel it will never get better, what are some tips to help come down? i typically go to the sauna everyday to sweat out the toxins that usually helps me come off them allot quicker
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how long does it typically take b4 i feel like myself again? i will be using suboxone for 10days or so then i plan on stoping i take 5htp to help with mood swings and other multi vitamins,
i don't know what else to do please help thank you
i don't know what else to do please help thank you
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Hope you're doing ok, Dustin. Oxy withdrawals are fast and furious but you should feel better after a few days. Day four was usually the turnaround for me but I never used sub. Plenty of people here have made it through and you can too.
Taking the percs just keeps resetting the clock and will drag it out. Oxy is oxy regardless of the formulation.
Taking the percs just keeps resetting the clock and will drag it out. Oxy is oxy regardless of the formulation.
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Hi Dustin. Congrats on getting off the oxy! That's great! You have so much to be happy for in your life ...you don't need those oxy's to increase your dopamine.
I have to agree with TE, the Percs are setting you back. They may be weaker but they are still an opiate. In fact, I hope your are not planning to hop onto sub right after the Percs. If you don't wait at least 24 - 72 hours to make sure you are in full withdrawal you are throwing yourself into the horrible sickness of precipitated withdrawal. You do not want to go there. I was sicker than a dog when I made my switch to sub and I waited for quite a few hours.
Perhaps going through a little WD discomfort a few days, since you are going to have to anyway, usually about 4 days for the worst of it and putting this all behind you. Just a thought since you are only planning on using sub for 10 days. I guess people do use it to detox but it seems to me you still have to pay the piper wether its sub or oxy. Oxy is shorter acting than the two of them so as TE said its "fast and furious" as compared to detoxing from sub which could last twice if not three times longer. Whatever you decide work with your doctor....just something to think about.
What is your plan for long term recovery? Detoxing is only half the battle. Maintaining sobriety is the hardest part.....not picking up again. Your addict voice is going to work over time trying to convince you that you need oxy to survive. It's going to play lots of mind games with you. You need to learn the tools to shut out your manipulative AV. Please read a lot of the info here at SR and anywhere else....knowledge is power and power is a shield against the relentless chatter of you AV. Good luck to you!
I have to agree with TE, the Percs are setting you back. They may be weaker but they are still an opiate. In fact, I hope your are not planning to hop onto sub right after the Percs. If you don't wait at least 24 - 72 hours to make sure you are in full withdrawal you are throwing yourself into the horrible sickness of precipitated withdrawal. You do not want to go there. I was sicker than a dog when I made my switch to sub and I waited for quite a few hours.
Perhaps going through a little WD discomfort a few days, since you are going to have to anyway, usually about 4 days for the worst of it and putting this all behind you. Just a thought since you are only planning on using sub for 10 days. I guess people do use it to detox but it seems to me you still have to pay the piper wether its sub or oxy. Oxy is shorter acting than the two of them so as TE said its "fast and furious" as compared to detoxing from sub which could last twice if not three times longer. Whatever you decide work with your doctor....just something to think about.
What is your plan for long term recovery? Detoxing is only half the battle. Maintaining sobriety is the hardest part.....not picking up again. Your addict voice is going to work over time trying to convince you that you need oxy to survive. It's going to play lots of mind games with you. You need to learn the tools to shut out your manipulative AV. Please read a lot of the info here at SR and anywhere else....knowledge is power and power is a shield against the relentless chatter of you AV. Good luck to you!
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Dustin - in my experience using subs for a short-term taper would lengthen the early withdrawal, but make it milder. A good rule of thumb was twice the time at half the pain per day (at least during the first 2 - 3 weeks). Clean is right about paying the piper. He always gets paid the same amount it just depends on whether you want to go on a payment plan (subs) or prepaid (CT). With CT the first 72 hours were the most critical for me, because it would start letting up on day 4 (as Tired pointed out).
With a baby on the way it is so important to stop now. PAWS are bad enough without having to get up / get woken up every 3 hours in the night to feed the newborn. I did that and it made things much more difficult.
As far as feeling like yourself again, it depends on many factors and how hard you work at it. If you are exercising every day, doing other naturally fun activities, eating right, etc. then it is going to be quicker. In my experience, a very general rule of thumb is one month PAWS for each year of use, but you can feel bad indefinitely if nothing changes in your life.
With a baby on the way it is so important to stop now. PAWS are bad enough without having to get up / get woken up every 3 hours in the night to feed the newborn. I did that and it made things much more difficult.
As far as feeling like yourself again, it depends on many factors and how hard you work at it. If you are exercising every day, doing other naturally fun activities, eating right, etc. then it is going to be quicker. In my experience, a very general rule of thumb is one month PAWS for each year of use, but you can feel bad indefinitely if nothing changes in your life.
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so everyone thinks using subs is a bad idea then? I'm totally off everything today and not taking perks i went to see an addiction hyptno specialist and that made me feel good i have a session again tomrw… i also just got back from the sauna I'm trying to sweat it all out asap
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I don't necessarily think subs are a bad. It all depends on what you can handle. I've done it both ways and each has pluses / minuses.
What obligations do you have right now besides wife/baby? Would you be able to go CT and still meet your obligations?
What obligations do you have right now besides wife/baby? Would you be able to go CT and still meet your obligations?
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Hi Dustin,
I think it depends what you are using subs for. If its just to detox and you are already off everything and doing pretty good....or you have the time 3-5 days needed to feel a little yucky then I say power through and get this monkey off your back. But, if you get severe cravings or think without that sub crutch you can't make it through then go with sub. It's your choice. I'm on the sub and its been a Godsend to me because it bought me time to attend an IOP. But, I'll be honest with you, my program is over now and I think I know most of what I need to stay clean...,but I'm having trouble continuing my taper....it's like I'm afraid of putting down my crutch when I know deep down its time.
Now, if you look at TE, for example, he powered through and left the subs alone, he's much farther than I am in his recovery. Even though I got off the oxy last February. He's gone through most of his paws time too, whereas I still have that to contend with as well as the withdrawals. You see what I'm saying? If you choose subs you're going to be at this a while longer. Either way the piper is going to get paid. So if you can do this without a crutch go for it if not and you think you might pick up again go with the sub.
That's just my opinion....of course work with your doctor.
I think it depends what you are using subs for. If its just to detox and you are already off everything and doing pretty good....or you have the time 3-5 days needed to feel a little yucky then I say power through and get this monkey off your back. But, if you get severe cravings or think without that sub crutch you can't make it through then go with sub. It's your choice. I'm on the sub and its been a Godsend to me because it bought me time to attend an IOP. But, I'll be honest with you, my program is over now and I think I know most of what I need to stay clean...,but I'm having trouble continuing my taper....it's like I'm afraid of putting down my crutch when I know deep down its time.
Now, if you look at TE, for example, he powered through and left the subs alone, he's much farther than I am in his recovery. Even though I got off the oxy last February. He's gone through most of his paws time too, whereas I still have that to contend with as well as the withdrawals. You see what I'm saying? If you choose subs you're going to be at this a while longer. Either way the piper is going to get paid. So if you can do this without a crutch go for it if not and you think you might pick up again go with the sub.
That's just my opinion....of course work with your doctor.
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Dustin, I'm not anti-sub but it wasn't for me. For one, I was tired of sneaking around and lying and I would have had to continue to do so to take it. Secondly, I wanted my wds to hurt and hurt bad. I felt it was a way of paying for my behavior all those years and I wanted something to remember if I ever felt stupid enough to pick back up. Lastly, I was just so utterly sick and tired of drugs I didn't want to take ANYTHING rx'd. I feel I've had more than my share over the years.
What worked for me will absolutely not work for everyone so you have to find the way that works for you.
What worked for me will absolutely not work for everyone so you have to find the way that works for you.
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Ahhh oxy, my drug of choice.
I got clean 41 days ago. I used 1/4 to 1/2 of a strip of sub a total of four times to get through the oxy withdrawal. I wasn't 100% but it was a HELL of a lot better than CT opiate withdrawal. The problem with subs is that they're addicting - and that's getting yourself into an entirely new battle. On the other hand, using suboxone for short term detox without a follow up treatment plan (NA for example) is a recipe for disaster.
Addiction is about more than getting clean - the reasons for using are still there, and without a way to deal with them and get through the day, it's all too easy to pick up again.
I wish you the best of luck, pm me anytime!
I got clean 41 days ago. I used 1/4 to 1/2 of a strip of sub a total of four times to get through the oxy withdrawal. I wasn't 100% but it was a HELL of a lot better than CT opiate withdrawal. The problem with subs is that they're addicting - and that's getting yourself into an entirely new battle. On the other hand, using suboxone for short term detox without a follow up treatment plan (NA for example) is a recipe for disaster.
Addiction is about more than getting clean - the reasons for using are still there, and without a way to deal with them and get through the day, it's all too easy to pick up again.
I wish you the best of luck, pm me anytime!
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Tommy, if you have 2 days in, you are close to turning the corner. Youre prolly going to feel alot better in a couple of days. 300mg aint no joke but you can do it. One dude here was injecting close to 2000mgs and beat it.
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Tommy - it is normal not to be able to sleep in the beginning. You already made it two days so you should be getting close to the peak. With the sleep the only advice I would give is to stop panicking about it. Your body will go to sleep when it needs it. Once you pass a certain point you may find yourself closing your eyes for a few minutes at a time during the day (even though you still haven't slept at night). It is your body getting the sleep it needs. Have you tried getting in a hot bath? That may relax you some even if you can't sleep.
You should reach out to your doctor to see what other options you might have, but insomnia is part of opi withdrawal.
You should reach out to your doctor to see what other options you might have, but insomnia is part of opi withdrawal.
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Man, sleep was awful for me and everyone else here. One of the worst parts and it lasts the longest.
Can you talk to a doc about something to help you sleep?
Opio is right. If nothing works, just lay there and rest but dont worry about it. Sleep will come eventually.
Can you talk to a doc about something to help you sleep?
Opio is right. If nothing works, just lay there and rest but dont worry about it. Sleep will come eventually.
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