Fentanyl Patch - SoberRecovery : Alcoholism Drug Addiction Help and Information

karabear77 · 02-12-2008, 12:38 PM

Hi Everyone! I am new here, but have been reading posts for days. Finally got the courage to speak out. I have been on 180 Norco and 180 Oxy for 2 years. I am really wanting to at least stop the Oxy. My Dr has recommended it years ago and I am wondering if that is better alternative then the oxy. At least then it is not a pill. I am wondering if anyone has come off it and what the effects are. I dont want to go from one really bad thing to an even worst. Is there anything worst then Oxy though??!! Thank you in advance.

TiredMama · 02-12-2008, 12:57 PM

Hello!

I have been abusing opiates for 7 years and the effects coming off of them are the same as opiate withdrawal. Have you went off the drugs before? When I have withdrawals (my experience) I have horrible skin crawling, restless legs syndrome symptoms, night tremors, cold and hot sweats, diarrhea and psychological stress as well.

Your doctor recommended the patch? Is that what you said? I have heard people "abuse" the patch as well so I really don't think there is another "alternative" to these drugs. I think the best thing to do is for you to get off of them and get into some therapy and NA groups/meetings. I am guessing when you say oxy you mean oxycontin? From what I have heard, it is one of the strongest pain pills and yet the most addictive.

ETA: I haven't taken oxycontin (only going by what I have heard from ones that have taken it)

Honestly, I wouldn't "trade" one for the other. I would try to get off of them all, soon.
Good luck.

karabear77 · 02-12-2008, 01:13 PM

Thank you Tired Mama,

I have gone off the Oxycontin before but usually had my Norco to fall back on. I have been off of both but not for more then a few days...and those days where hell. I do have a legit reason to be on pain meds and will probably be on them the rest of my life. It did not become a problem until my husband and I started snorting the oxy.
My hubby just stopped taking everything this past weekend and I want to get off the oxycontin more for him then me. I dont want it to be an option. Guess I think that the patch would be safer.
I work in healthcare and know it is all bad and I have never been one to deny that I am a pill popper, but it is different when you would be completely disabled and in bed if you did not take the medication. And no, that is not something I just tell myself. It is the god honest truth.
There is a difference between physical dependance and abuse. I will admit that I have both sides.
I dont know what to do....And it scared me to death!

Sugah · 02-12-2008, 01:35 PM

Would you be comfortable sharing the legitimate reason you take opiates?

Peace & Love,
Sugah

karabear77 · 02-12-2008, 01:44 PM

And the list of reasons begins with:
1) 6 Years fighting Cervical/ Uterine Cancer
2) Multiple Herniated Discs throughout C-Spine and L-Spine
3) My Spine is collapsing in the lumbar area of where I had my first back surgery which is creating instability throughout my entire back and pressure on main spinal nerves throughout.
4) Now I am getting some kind of Cervical Spine Abnormality that created a hump.
5) Dr says I most definently have Osteoporisis in my spine. Might I add all of this at the age of 30.

Sugah · 02-12-2008, 02:23 PM

Are you in physical therapy?

karabear77 · 02-12-2008, 02:35 PM

Oh yeah...I have done it all! Palates, massage, and regular pt to be specific. My doctor actually has a physical therapist, mental health therapist, and a surgery room all in his office. I also get the injections every 6 weeks and then he goes in a deadens the nerves in neck and lower back twice a year. We chose to go this route because he feels that I really need a fusion but he is afraid if I had one now, it would just have to be redone in a few years. I wouldnt be able to work if I had the fusion and could pretty much write off quality of life I have right now. Which, yes even with it all, I hurt all the time. But I am so blessed because I am able to work, take care of my children, live a somewhat normal life. I am not one of those people that takes so many pills that I am gorked out of my mind...truly. My co-workers have no idea that I take pain meds unless I choose to tell them. And I have never taken so many that I cant function. I am not denying that I am physically dependant on the medication....I am! But I am also doing other things to try and get better.

TiredMama · 02-12-2008, 02:49 PM

I know you say that you need the pills, but when you snort the oxy, you are abusing it (in my opinion). I knew someone that did this only for recreational purposes, she didn't have the pain problems that you had. She crushed them and snorted them. To me, that is drug abuse.

I really hope you can find some pain relief soon without having to be on all of those pills.

Sugah · 02-12-2008, 02:52 PM

Has the mental health therapist ever suggested pain management meditation?

karabear77 · 02-12-2008, 03:06 PM

I totally agree with you Tired Mama...It is abusing it! I dont want to even have them in my vacinity anymore because I am abusing them. That is why I am asking about the Fentanyl Patch. I saw that you posted to my husbands post (Peachy1005). I feel like the devil in disquise because he started abusing them (without having a reason). He just went through a week of hell and it not only did it kill me to see him go through that but I was so mad at myself for allowing this to happen to him. I know he is a big boy, but it scared me to death. I dont want to abuse them anymore....yet I need pain meds...I dont know what to do. I am not only on the the narcotic meds but also Zanaflex, Lyrica, and Trazadone. I dont ever want my husband to have to go through what he did ever again!. And if I dont have them around then he wont...ya know?
Suga- what is pain meditation? I do a form of meditation but it is not for pain....I am always willing to try anything that would help.

exjunky · 02-12-2008, 03:53 PM

Fent patches are pretty heavy duty. I've never done them but I know plenty of people who said that their opiate tolerance skyrocketed when they started to do fent. Plus they are highly open to abuse, in more ways than one.

Lily · 02-12-2008, 04:09 PM

How is your hubby doing? I am sorry, I don't know anything about the patches.

keep your pills locked up, don't let him fall again! I have 24 days clean off the pills and I sure wouldn't want any pills around!

Take care, hope you can quit the abuse, I understand you have pain which I never really had.

blessings, Sheila

Sugah · 02-12-2008, 04:15 PM

I've developed my own meditation practice over time, and it's essentially blending creative visualization, transcendental meditation and Lamaze techniques. I, too, have chronic pain from several different conditions including RA, RSD & FMS. I also have osteoporosis and degenerated discs in my spine, as well as some osteoarthritis. I haven't taken anything stronger than Tylenol in five years, and I stopped taking my remaining prescription medication (HRT & beta blockers) in May of last year. It's not easy -- some days are very, very frustrating, but I manage to function on a very high level.

I have asked so many questions because I know, from personal experience and from that shared with me by others, that opiates are not appropriate for long-term chronic pain. Physical dependence sets in and tolerance goes up, up, up. For addicts, it amounts to a suicide - maybe a slow one, maybe a quick one, but a suicide nonetheless.

I have also found that in order to find a doctor who is responsible enough to see this, I had to learn to be my own advocate in health care matters. I did find one of those doctors. When I saw her regarding my last bout with anxiety, rather than pulling out her prescription pad, she gave me the name of a good therapist who could help me expand my relaxation practices.

For a very long time, I used the pain thing as an excuse not to get clean. Eventually, after maintaining for many, many years, everything crashed down on me. I had to make a choice -- get clean or die -- and you'd think that would be an easy choice to make. It took a lot more power than I have in me.

Ever been to a meeting?

Peace & Love,
Sugah

ccgirl2 · 02-12-2008, 04:18 PM

I know the fentanyl patch is sometimes used as an alternative to pills becaue supposedly it's not as easy to abuse. I have heard of people on this forum who have ripped them open and ingested the contents. My mother in law has a problem with opiates (as do I) and she was switched from pills to the patch, and while she didn't abuse it per se, she was still physically addicted to it and had the same withdrawal symptoms when she discontinued use.

TiredMama · 02-12-2008, 07:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by exjunky

Fent patches are pretty heavy duty. I've never done them but I know plenty of people who said that their opiate tolerance skyrocketed when they started to do fent. Plus they are highly open to abuse, in more ways than one.

Yes they are but I just didn't want to say which ways for reasons.

ccgirl2 · 02-12-2008, 08:40 PM

Uh Oh, did I say something wrong? Sorry. I thought I was helping. TMI?

Pete The Addict · 02-12-2008, 09:32 PM

Honestly, you are probably better off sticking with the pills. First of all, fentanyl is somewhere in the range of 10 times the potency of pure heroin. Its so potent that a 3 day patch only has like 75 MICROGRAMS. And dont switch off the oxy just because of your hubby. If he is an addict and actively practicing he will abuse anything he can get. I used to get the 75 Microgram patches off the street and rip them open and eat the gel, like someone said. And before I grew the idiocy to do that I would put them on my palm to rapidly absorb it. God some of the hype idiot things I have done are so shameful. Lets just say im lucky to be alive and I thank my HP for that everyday I wake up. Anyways if he cant keep his hands off your meds (and that isnt me crackin on him, when I was actively practicing id steal painkillers from my grandparents who needed them, even my own mom) I suggest you invest in a good, strong, combination safe. Dont get a crappy sentry safe those are so easy to break into. Get a real good one. Thats the only way my mom got me to quit stealin her pills. And dont get a key safe cuz a practicing addict WILL rip the house apart to find the key, and will probably succeed. Anyways good luck to you both.

karabear77 · 02-13-2008, 08:49 AM

Ok, now I am just scared. Seeing my husband go through what he did this last weekend was horrible. Monday morning I didnt think he was going to make it. He didnt even look like himself. I am going to be going through that! Regardless of what I take, or how much, or how....I am going to go through that. I dont know how any of you did it?!? I have realized that I have to get control of this now. I have a Dr appt on Monday and I am going to discuss this all with him. And what his thoughts are on the subject. You all are so strong! Dont ever forget that. I am admiring that in all of you.

TiredMama · 02-13-2008, 08:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ccgirl2

Uh Oh, did I say something wrong? Sorry. I thought I was helping. TMI?

No way

Not to me it wasn't TMI.

TiredMama · 02-13-2008, 08:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ccgirl2

I know the fentanyl patch is sometimes used as an alternative to pills becaue supposedly it's not as easy to abuse. I have heard of people on this forum who have ripped them open and ingested the contents. My mother in law has a problem with opiates (as do I) and she was switched from pills to the patch, and while she didn't abuse it per se, she was still physically addicted to it and had the same withdrawal symptoms when she discontinued use.

Someone I knew father used to eat them.

TiredMama · 02-13-2008, 08:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by karabear77

Ok, now I am just scared. Seeing my husband go through what he did this last weekend was horrible. Monday morning I didnt think he was going to make it. He didnt even look like himself. I am going to be going through that! Regardless of what I take, or how much, or how....I am going to go through that. I dont know how any of you did it?!? I have realized that I have to get control of this now. I have a Dr appt on Monday and I am going to discuss this all with him. And what his thoughts are on the subject. You all are so strong! Dont ever forget that. I am admiring that in all of you.

I can tell you that being scared is part of it and it gives you an extra "push".

karabear77 · 02-13-2008, 10:02 AM

Tired Mama- How are you doing? It sounds like maybe you are going through some things too and yet you are giving encouragement to me and my hubby...what about you?

peachy1005 · 02-13-2008, 10:16 AM

baby this is NOT your fault- it is mine, I am the one that got myself into this, and I have to pay the piper, ya know- I just feel like I am definetely more subject to relapse if they are around, yet I know that you need them. It has taken everything in me not to ask you for one in the last 4 days, and thats what I have to continue to do, I guess, it just feels like I have to tell myself NO about a thousand times a day.
lovin you baby, we'll get through this-promise

sweetpea40 · 02-13-2008, 10:30 AM

Karabear,
My son is in rehab right now from snorting OXY's. Makes the effect come faster he said. He is doing great in rehab....Those Oxy's really give you a rough way to go coming off them, but let me tell you....he is doing a lot better...2 months clean!!! Please get help soon sweetie.. I know you are in pain, my son was purely recreational.
But...You are addicted.. Keep us informed on how things go, listen to these special people(they have wonderful advise, since they have been there), and I will pray for your husband and you!
God Bless,
Machele

karabear77 · 02-13-2008, 10:31 AM

Thank you Baby...It is really hard not to say your name...

Anyway, I feel like it is my fault that you are where you are. This got out of control so quickly. I remember when we would do it just for fun maybe after a hard day. I wish we could go back and not make that decision.
I know you have really wanted one and unfortunatly I am so weak when it comes to you. If you had asked you know me well enough to know that I would have given in.
You said last week that I was stronger then you....you proved that not to be the truth!

02-12-2008, 12:38 PM	#1 (permalink)
karabear77 Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: colorado springs Posts: 17	Fentanyl Patch Hi Everyone! I am new here, but have been reading posts for days. Finally got the courage to speak out. I have been on 180 Norco and 180 Oxy for 2 years. I am really wanting to at least stop the Oxy. My Dr has recommended it years ago and I am wondering if that is better alternative then the oxy. At least then it is not a pill. I am wondering if anyone has come off it and what the effects are. I dont want to go from one really bad thing to an even worst. Is there anything worst then Oxy though??!! Thank you in advance.

02-12-2008, 12:57 PM	#2 (permalink)
TiredMama Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Birmingham, AL Posts: 536	Hello! I have been abusing opiates for 7 years and the effects coming off of them are the same as opiate withdrawal. Have you went off the drugs before? When I have withdrawals (my experience) I have horrible skin crawling, restless legs syndrome symptoms, night tremors, cold and hot sweats, diarrhea and psychological stress as well. Your doctor recommended the patch? Is that what you said? I have heard people "abuse" the patch as well so I really don't think there is another "alternative" to these drugs. I think the best thing to do is for you to get off of them and get into some therapy and NA groups/meetings. I am guessing when you say oxy you mean oxycontin? From what I have heard, it is one of the strongest pain pills and yet the most addictive. ETA: I haven't taken oxycontin (only going by what I have heard from ones that have taken it) Honestly, I wouldn't "trade" one for the other. I would try to get off of them all, soon. Good luck. Last edited by TiredMama; 02-12-2008 at 12:58 PM. Reason: ETA: clarification

02-12-2008, 01:35 PM	#4 (permalink)
Sugah Om, Aum, Ohm... Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Punxsutawney/Pittsburgh Posts: 2,262	Would you be comfortable sharing the legitimate reason you take opiates? Peace & Love, Sugah __________________ I don't know what happens when people die Can't seem to grasp it as hard as I try It's like a song I can hear playing right in my ear That I can't sing I can't help listening ~JB

02-12-2008, 02:23 PM	#6 (permalink)
Sugah Om, Aum, Ohm... Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Punxsutawney/Pittsburgh Posts: 2,262	Are you in physical therapy? __________________ I don't know what happens when people die Can't seem to grasp it as hard as I try It's like a song I can hear playing right in my ear That I can't sing I can't help listening ~JB

02-12-2008, 02:52 PM	#9 (permalink)
Sugah Om, Aum, Ohm... Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Punxsutawney/Pittsburgh Posts: 2,262	Has the mental health therapist ever suggested pain management meditation? __________________ I don't know what happens when people die Can't seem to grasp it as hard as I try It's like a song I can hear playing right in my ear That I can't sing I can't help listening ~JB

02-12-2008, 01:13 PM	#3 (permalink)
karabear77 Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: colorado springs Posts: 17	Thank you Tired Mama, I have gone off the Oxycontin before but usually had my Norco to fall back on. I have been off of both but not for more then a few days...and those days where hell. I do have a legit reason to be on pain meds and will probably be on them the rest of my life. It did not become a problem until my husband and I started snorting the oxy. My hubby just stopped taking everything this past weekend and I want to get off the oxycontin more for him then me. I dont want it to be an option. Guess I think that the patch would be safer. I work in healthcare and know it is all bad and I have never been one to deny that I am a pill popper, but it is different when you would be completely disabled and in bed if you did not take the medication. And no, that is not something I just tell myself. It is the god honest truth. There is a difference between physical dependance and abuse. I will admit that I have both sides. I dont know what to do....And it scared me to death!

02-12-2008, 01:44 PM	#5 (permalink)
karabear77 Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: colorado springs Posts: 17	And the list of reasons begins with: 1) 6 Years fighting Cervical/ Uterine Cancer 2) Multiple Herniated Discs throughout C-Spine and L-Spine 3) My Spine is collapsing in the lumbar area of where I had my first back surgery which is creating instability throughout my entire back and pressure on main spinal nerves throughout. 4) Now I am getting some kind of Cervical Spine Abnormality that created a hump. 5) Dr says I most definently have Osteoporisis in my spine. Might I add all of this at the age of 30.

02-12-2008, 02:35 PM	#7 (permalink)
karabear77 Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: colorado springs Posts: 17	Oh yeah...I have done it all! Palates, massage, and regular pt to be specific. My doctor actually has a physical therapist, mental health therapist, and a surgery room all in his office. I also get the injections every 6 weeks and then he goes in a deadens the nerves in neck and lower back twice a year. We chose to go this route because he feels that I really need a fusion but he is afraid if I had one now, it would just have to be redone in a few years. I wouldnt be able to work if I had the fusion and could pretty much write off quality of life I have right now. Which, yes even with it all, I hurt all the time. But I am so blessed because I am able to work, take care of my children, live a somewhat normal life. I am not one of those people that takes so many pills that I am gorked out of my mind...truly. My co-workers have no idea that I take pain meds unless I choose to tell them. And I have never taken so many that I cant function. I am not denying that I am physically dependant on the medication....I am! But I am also doing other things to try and get better.

02-12-2008, 02:49 PM	#8 (permalink)
TiredMama Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Birmingham, AL Posts: 536	I know you say that you need the pills, but when you snort the oxy, you are abusing it (in my opinion). I knew someone that did this only for recreational purposes, she didn't have the pain problems that you had. She crushed them and snorted them. To me, that is drug abuse. I really hope you can find some pain relief soon without having to be on all of those pills.

02-12-2008, 03:06 PM	#10 (permalink)
karabear77 Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: colorado springs Posts: 17	I totally agree with you Tired Mama...It is abusing it! I dont want to even have them in my vacinity anymore because I am abusing them. That is why I am asking about the Fentanyl Patch. I saw that you posted to my husbands post (Peachy1005). I feel like the devil in disquise because he started abusing them (without having a reason). He just went through a week of hell and it not only did it kill me to see him go through that but I was so mad at myself for allowing this to happen to him. I know he is a big boy, but it scared me to death. I dont want to abuse them anymore....yet I need pain meds...I dont know what to do. I am not only on the the narcotic meds but also Zanaflex, Lyrica, and Trazadone. I dont ever want my husband to have to go through what he did ever again!. And if I dont have them around then he wont...ya know? Suga- what is pain meditation? I do a form of meditation but it is not for pain....I am always willing to try anything that would help.

02-12-2008, 03:53 PM	#11 (permalink)
exjunky Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Miami, FL Posts: 602	Fent patches are pretty heavy duty. I've never done them but I know plenty of people who said that their opiate tolerance skyrocketed when they started to do fent. Plus they are highly open to abuse, in more ways than one. __________________ Is addiction a disease, or a choice? Who cares about semantics? If it's a disease, cure thyself. If it's a choice, make the right one.

02-12-2008, 04:09 PM	#12 (permalink)
Lily Ephesians 2:8 and 9 Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: USA Posts: 1,245 Blog Entries: 2	How is your hubby doing? I am sorry, I don't know anything about the patches. keep your pills locked up, don't let him fall again! I have 24 days clean off the pills and I sure wouldn't want any pills around! Take care, hope you can quit the abuse, I understand you have pain which I never really had. blessings, Sheila

02-12-2008, 04:15 PM	#13 (permalink)
Sugah Om, Aum, Ohm... Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Punxsutawney/Pittsburgh Posts: 2,262	I've developed my own meditation practice over time, and it's essentially blending creative visualization, transcendental meditation and Lamaze techniques. I, too, have chronic pain from several different conditions including RA, RSD & FMS. I also have osteoporosis and degenerated discs in my spine, as well as some osteoarthritis. I haven't taken anything stronger than Tylenol in five years, and I stopped taking my remaining prescription medication (HRT & beta blockers) in May of last year. It's not easy -- some days are very, very frustrating, but I manage to function on a very high level. I have asked so many questions because I know, from personal experience and from that shared with me by others, that opiates are not appropriate for long-term chronic pain. Physical dependence sets in and tolerance goes up, up, up. For addicts, it amounts to a suicide - maybe a slow one, maybe a quick one, but a suicide nonetheless. I have also found that in order to find a doctor who is responsible enough to see this, I had to learn to be my own advocate in health care matters. I did find one of those doctors. When I saw her regarding my last bout with anxiety, rather than pulling out her prescription pad, she gave me the name of a good therapist who could help me expand my relaxation practices. For a very long time, I used the pain thing as an excuse not to get clean. Eventually, after maintaining for many, many years, everything crashed down on me. I had to make a choice -- get clean or die -- and you'd think that would be an easy choice to make. It took a lot more power than I have in me. Ever been to a meeting? Peace & Love, Sugah __________________ I don't know what happens when people die Can't seem to grasp it as hard as I try It's like a song I can hear playing right in my ear That I can't sing I can't help listening ~JB

02-12-2008, 04:18 PM	#14 (permalink)
ccgirl2 Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: cape cod Posts: 2,257	I know the fentanyl patch is sometimes used as an alternative to pills becaue supposedly it's not as easy to abuse. I have heard of people on this forum who have ripped them open and ingested the contents. My mother in law has a problem with opiates (as do I) and she was switched from pills to the patch, and while she didn't abuse it per se, she was still physically addicted to it and had the same withdrawal symptoms when she discontinued use.

02-12-2008, 08:40 PM	#16 (permalink)
ccgirl2 Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: cape cod Posts: 2,257	Uh Oh, did I say something wrong? Sorry. I thought I was helping. TMI?

02-12-2008, 09:32 PM	#17 (permalink)
Pete The Addict I Stand At The Turning Point Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 144	Honestly, you are probably better off sticking with the pills. First of all, fentanyl is somewhere in the range of 10 times the potency of pure heroin. Its so potent that a 3 day patch only has like 75 MICROGRAMS. And dont switch off the oxy just because of your hubby. If he is an addict and actively practicing he will abuse anything he can get. I used to get the 75 Microgram patches off the street and rip them open and eat the gel, like someone said. And before I grew the idiocy to do that I would put them on my palm to rapidly absorb it. God some of the hype idiot things I have done are so shameful. Lets just say im lucky to be alive and I thank my HP for that everyday I wake up. Anyways if he cant keep his hands off your meds (and that isnt me crackin on him, when I was actively practicing id steal painkillers from my grandparents who needed them, even my own mom) I suggest you invest in a good, strong, combination safe. Dont get a crappy sentry safe those are so easy to break into. Get a real good one. Thats the only way my mom got me to quit stealin her pills. And dont get a key safe cuz a practicing addict WILL rip the house apart to find the key, and will probably succeed. Anyways good luck to you both.

02-13-2008, 08:49 AM	#18 (permalink)
karabear77 Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: colorado springs Posts: 17	Ok, now I am just scared. Seeing my husband go through what he did this last weekend was horrible. Monday morning I didnt think he was going to make it. He didnt even look like himself. I am going to be going through that! Regardless of what I take, or how much, or how....I am going to go through that. I dont know how any of you did it?!? I have realized that I have to get control of this now. I have a Dr appt on Monday and I am going to discuss this all with him. And what his thoughts are on the subject. You all are so strong! Dont ever forget that. I am admiring that in all of you.

02-13-2008, 10:02 AM	#22 (permalink)
karabear77 Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: colorado springs Posts: 17	Tired Mama- How are you doing? It sounds like maybe you are going through some things too and yet you are giving encouragement to me and my hubby...what about you?

02-13-2008, 10:16 AM	#23 (permalink)
peachy1005 Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: colorado springs Posts: 123	baby this is NOT your fault- it is mine, I am the one that got myself into this, and I have to pay the piper, ya know- I just feel like I am definetely more subject to relapse if they are around, yet I know that you need them. It has taken everything in me not to ask you for one in the last 4 days, and thats what I have to continue to do, I guess, it just feels like I have to tell myself NO about a thousand times a day. lovin you baby, we'll get through this-promise

02-13-2008, 10:30 AM	#24 (permalink)
sweetpea40 Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Hardy Ky Posts: 170 Blog Entries: 1	Karabear, My son is in rehab right now from snorting OXY's. Makes the effect come faster he said. He is doing great in rehab....Those Oxy's really give you a rough way to go coming off them, but let me tell you....he is doing a lot better...2 months clean!!! Please get help soon sweetie.. I know you are in pain, my son was purely recreational. But...You are addicted.. Keep us informed on how things go, listen to these special people(they have wonderful advise, since they have been there), and I will pray for your husband and you! God Bless, Machele

02-13-2008, 10:31 AM	#25 (permalink)
karabear77 Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: colorado springs Posts: 17	Thank you Baby...It is really hard not to say your name... Anyway, I feel like it is my fault that you are where you are. This got out of control so quickly. I remember when we would do it just for fun maybe after a hard day. I wish we could go back and not make that decision. I know you have really wanted one and unfortunatly I am so weak when it comes to you. If you had asked you know me well enough to know that I would have given in. You said last week that I was stronger then you....you proved that not to be the truth!