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Barto · 03-23-2007, 05:38 PM

Ah, the answer you seek is â€œwhat is choice?â€

leeside · 03-23-2007, 06:25 PM

The problem is doctors will keep you on benzos way too long and even indefinetly till you croak.

Ten Chips Down · 03-23-2007, 07:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barto

Ah, the answer you seek is “what is choice?”

There is no probable answer questioned by that questionable answer, unless engendering a longitudinally extruded logical abstract (the tendention in logic being 'abtruse recodification'), making it an essentially undefined, yet contextually significant pars pro toto).

dont get me started

JustCrazy · 03-23-2007, 09:46 PM

i am here looking for help not to get cought up in the "politics" of this fourm. I am an adult if I dont like someones opinion I dont take it.. why are all of you hitchhiking my thread???? can you all move your silly nonesense to another thread MAYBE one that you have started and leave the newbie's thread alone?? for the love of god im trying to do my best here white nuckleing this crazy ride and i need support not people complaining about nothing

leeside · 03-23-2007, 10:10 PM

That's not politics (at least I don't think it is). Those guys like to throw that "banter" around in their thread and I guess they got carried away in your thread.

Do you think I am complaining in my previous post?

JustCrazy · 03-23-2007, 10:13 PM

no its fine im sorry

margo · 03-23-2007, 10:38 PM

Hi JC - I'm sorry you're upset. You have nothing to apologize for. Keep talking to us!

Ten Chips Down · 03-23-2007, 11:36 PM

:sad6:

I am really sorry JC. Plz carry on.

Ten Chips Down

Ten Chips Down · 03-24-2007, 07:15 PM

JC,

Thinking of ya, hoping you will post back. All we know is you're tapering under supervision after 15 years of dependence and that you are "white-knuckling" it. It does not have to be that way. A skillful taper by the right person can make all the difference. Glad to you hear you are seeing another doctor as opposed to someone who has never done this. Would help to know which benzo you are quitting and why you are doing so now. Share whatever you're comfortable with of course, and good luck!

Ten

mikiglen · 03-24-2007, 08:32 PM

how ya doin, jc? what's going on with you, and how have you been today?
thinking of you
misti

JustCrazy · 03-25-2007, 07:42 PM

i have have been on xanax and klonopin for 15 years. i was in 4mg of xanax and 2mg of klonopin a day. right now i have c/t the xanax and now i am just on klonopin been making my cuts but i think its to fast.

Ten Chips Down · 03-25-2007, 11:26 PM

Yeah, that's a brutal 'cut'. It's not even a cut. Like you said, it's a cold-turkey cessation. Hopefully the new doc you see tomorrow will reinstate the Xanax and have you tapering each in unison, or tapering from a higher daily level of Klonopin. The Klonopin will cover all w/d symtoms from Xanax but the dose has to be sufficient. You just can't drop 4 mg Xanax in one day.

woops · 03-26-2007, 03:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JustCrazy

i have have been on xanax and klonopin for 15 years. i was in 4mg of xanax and 2mg of klonopin a day. right now i have c/t the xanax and now i am just on klonopin been making my cuts but i think its to fast.

Hello JC
Whoa - do you mean that you have c/t 4 mg daily xanax? That will be completely brutal. I'm with Ten here - hopefully your doc will reinstate you - get you balanced and then start you off on a really slow taper. Really really slooow. The slower the better - IMO. If you taper slow enough and try to forget that you are tapering at all then you can get off both xanax and klonopin without much in the way of withdrawals - and can continue to lead your life - work and run your home/family .........................
Good luck.
Tons of really good info here - read all the threads - especially from RUNVS - and he can give you info regarding helpful supportive forums too.
woops

RUNVS · 03-26-2007, 05:56 AM

JustCrazy

Heres another link to answer some of your questions regarding benzodiazepine.

http://www.benzo.org.uk/manual/contents.htm

I know your in a serious situation now but I want you to know there is hope and you can completely recover. I personally really do care and understand what you are going through.

Please read some of the info that is being provided here. I strongly recommend not to drastically reduce your benzo intake. You need to read the info we are providing and talk to your doctor. By reducing your dose by a high percentage in a very short time, you become a very high risk for a seizure.

Please keep us updated

Take good care,
RUNVS

leeside · 03-26-2007, 11:40 AM

If your doctor tapered you to just the Klonopin, stick with that and try to make it do. If it gets too bad call your doctor.

Ten Chips Down · 03-27-2007, 03:23 AM

She was not tapered. She was dropped 4 mg Xanax overnight... there is unquestionably a wrong way to do these things, and you're looking at it once again, I'm afraid.

JC --
How'd it go?

JustCrazy · 03-27-2007, 05:52 AM

everything is the same... now not only am i not sleeping but when i do i am having crazy dreams that are so vivid and seems so real. working is driving me nuts i cant seem to get my thoughts right to do anything

Barto · 03-27-2007, 06:09 AM

I’ve had dismembered body parts floating down the river of blood type stuff. Very nasty. Thank God, I wake up.

If you are drinking caffeine at all, quitting immediately may greatly reduce withdrawal symptoms.

That’s my experience, written by my own little hands.

Barto · 03-27-2007, 06:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Waitng4Reality

Phew....benzos are rough to get off of! I tried several times and I just drank more alcohol to calm me down! Which, of course almost killed me. I ended up in the hospital where they "what else" gave me benzos to come off the alcohol! It's been a vicious cycle. After I left the hospital I managed to stay off both for three months. My downfall after that was that I thought I could resist the temptation with out any support like AA/NA. I was wrong. I found an old bottle of Xanax that had a few pills left.....need I say more? Good luck and get support!
W4R

Are you okay? Are you getting support elsewhere.

JustCrazy · 03-27-2007, 06:24 AM

i havent drank caffine since i got this stuff called anxiety 15 years ago and this is all i have for support

Barto · 03-27-2007, 06:34 AM

If you aren’t consuming any caffeine, tea, soda, decaf coffee, excessive amounts of chocolate, etc., then, well, as has been said, a 4mg cut of Xanax all at once is brutal. Have you tried that other doctor you mentioned? Hopefully, this one has a clue?

You could also try more exercise, and meditation, but this is very difficult after a cut this big. This is almost as brutal as a cold turkey w/d in my opinion.

JustCrazy · 03-27-2007, 07:04 AM

I have went to a detox to get off these pills and that was more brutal than how i am feeling.... at least i am going to work and being productive

jbit · 03-27-2007, 08:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JustCrazy

I have went to a detox to get off these pills and that was more brutal than how i am feeling.... at least i am going to work and being productive

Just hang in there. I took heavy doses of valium for years and got off them. If i can do it, so can you.

formergolf99 · 03-27-2007, 08:21 AM

A Doctor cut you from 4mg/daily of Xanax to zero? And you have been on the medication for 15 years? You may want to ask your Doctor about a taper, a complete cold turkey can be dangerous.....something a Doctor sould know.

Barto · 03-27-2007, 08:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JustCrazy

I have went to a detox to get off these pills and that was more brutal than how i am feeling.... at least i am going to work and being productive

Sounds like you are doing good then. Keep up the good work.

03-23-2007, 06:25 PM	#27 (permalink)
leeside outtahere Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 521	The problem is doctors will keep you on benzos way too long and even indefinetly till you croak. __________________ Someone here said I said something I didn't say and I am not allowed to show it is not something I said, so I wont be posting on SR anymore.

03-23-2007, 09:46 PM	#29 (permalink)
JustCrazy Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: MANCHESTER, NH Posts: 21	i am here looking for help not to get cought up in the "politics" of this fourm. I am an adult if I dont like someones opinion I dont take it.. why are all of you hitchhiking my thread???? can you all move your silly nonesense to another thread MAYBE one that you have started and leave the newbie's thread alone?? for the love of god im trying to do my best here white nuckleing this crazy ride and i need support not people complaining about nothing Last edited by JustCrazy; 03-23-2007 at 09:48 PM. Reason: misspelled

03-23-2007, 10:10 PM	#30 (permalink)
leeside outtahere Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 521	That's not politics (at least I don't think it is). Those guys like to throw that "banter" around in their thread and I guess they got carried away in your thread. Do you think I am complaining in my previous post? __________________ Someone here said I said something I didn't say and I am not allowed to show it is not something I said, so I wont be posting on SR anymore.

03-23-2007, 10:38 PM	#32 (permalink)
margo Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: North Vancouver, British Columbia Posts: 1,727	Hi JC - I'm sorry you're upset. You have nothing to apologize for. Keep talking to us! __________________ Sometimes I go about in pity for myself, and all the while a great wind is bearing me across the sky. ~Ojibwe saying~

03-24-2007, 08:32 PM	#35 (permalink)
mikiglen Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: here, there, everywhere Posts: 2,118	how ya doin, jc? what's going on with you, and how have you been today? thinking of you misti __________________ Now and again we try To just stay alive Maybe we'll turn it all around 'Cause it's not too late It's never too late

03-23-2007, 05:38 PM	#26 (permalink)
Barto Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Righthere, Rightnow Posts: 1,497	Ah, the answer you seek is â€œwhat is choice?â€

03-23-2007, 10:13 PM	#31 (permalink)
JustCrazy Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: MANCHESTER, NH Posts: 21	no its fine im sorry

03-23-2007, 11:36 PM	#33 (permalink)
Ten Chips Down Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Virginia, U.S.A. Posts: 847	:sad6: I am really sorry JC. Plz carry on. Ten Chips Down

03-24-2007, 07:15 PM	#34 (permalink)
Ten Chips Down Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Virginia, U.S.A. Posts: 847	JC, Thinking of ya, hoping you will post back. All we know is you're tapering under supervision after 15 years of dependence and that you are "white-knuckling" it. It does not have to be that way. A skillful taper by the right person can make all the difference. Glad to you hear you are seeing another doctor as opposed to someone who has never done this. Would help to know which benzo you are quitting and why you are doing so now. Share whatever you're comfortable with of course, and good luck! Ten

03-25-2007, 07:42 PM	#36 (permalink)
JustCrazy Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: MANCHESTER, NH Posts: 21	i have have been on xanax and klonopin for 15 years. i was in 4mg of xanax and 2mg of klonopin a day. right now i have c/t the xanax and now i am just on klonopin been making my cuts but i think its to fast.

03-25-2007, 11:26 PM	#37 (permalink)
Ten Chips Down Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Virginia, U.S.A. Posts: 847	Yeah, that's a brutal 'cut'. It's not even a cut. Like you said, it's a cold-turkey cessation. Hopefully the new doc you see tomorrow will reinstate the Xanax and have you tapering each in unison, or tapering from a higher daily level of Klonopin. The Klonopin will cover all w/d symtoms from Xanax but the dose has to be sufficient. You just can't drop 4 mg Xanax in one day.

03-26-2007, 05:56 AM	#39 (permalink)
RUNVS Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Southern California Posts: 120	JustCrazy Heres another link to answer some of your questions regarding benzodiazepine. http://www.benzo.org.uk/manual/contents.htm I know your in a serious situation now but I want you to know there is hope and you can completely recover. I personally really do care and understand what you are going through. Please read some of the info that is being provided here. I strongly recommend not to drastically reduce your benzo intake. You need to read the info we are providing and talk to your doctor. By reducing your dose by a high percentage in a very short time, you become a very high risk for a seizure. Please keep us updated Take good care, RUNVS

03-26-2007, 11:40 AM	#40 (permalink)
leeside outtahere Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 521	If your doctor tapered you to just the Klonopin, stick with that and try to make it do. If it gets too bad call your doctor. __________________ Someone here said I said something I didn't say and I am not allowed to show it is not something I said, so I wont be posting on SR anymore.

03-27-2007, 03:23 AM	#41 (permalink)
Ten Chips Down Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Virginia, U.S.A. Posts: 847	She was not tapered. She was dropped 4 mg Xanax overnight... there is unquestionably a wrong way to do these things, and you're looking at it once again, I'm afraid. JC -- How'd it go?

03-27-2007, 05:52 AM	#42 (permalink)
JustCrazy Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: MANCHESTER, NH Posts: 21	everything is the same... now not only am i not sleeping but when i do i am having crazy dreams that are so vivid and seems so real. working is driving me nuts i cant seem to get my thoughts right to do anything

03-27-2007, 06:09 AM	#43 (permalink)
Barto Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Righthere, Rightnow Posts: 1,497	JC, These vivid dreams are a normal part of withdrawal. I’ve had dismembered body parts floating down the river of blood type stuff. Very nasty. Thank God, I wake up. If you are drinking caffeine at all, quitting immediately may greatly reduce withdrawal symptoms. That’s my experience, written by my own little hands.

03-27-2007, 06:24 AM	#45 (permalink)
JustCrazy Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: MANCHESTER, NH Posts: 21	i havent drank caffine since i got this stuff called anxiety 15 years ago and this is all i have for support

03-27-2007, 06:34 AM	#46 (permalink)
Barto Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Righthere, Rightnow Posts: 1,497	If you aren’t consuming any caffeine, tea, soda, decaf coffee, excessive amounts of chocolate, etc., then, well, as has been said, a 4mg cut of Xanax all at once is brutal. Have you tried that other doctor you mentioned? Hopefully, this one has a clue? You could also try more exercise, and meditation, but this is very difficult after a cut this big. This is almost as brutal as a cold turkey w/d in my opinion.

03-27-2007, 07:04 AM	#47 (permalink)
JustCrazy Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: MANCHESTER, NH Posts: 21	I have went to a detox to get off these pills and that was more brutal than how i am feeling.... at least i am going to work and being productive

03-27-2007, 08:21 AM	#49 (permalink)
formergolf99 Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Washington, D.C. Posts: 123	A Doctor cut you from 4mg/daily of Xanax to zero? And you have been on the medication for 15 years? You may want to ask your Doctor about a taper, a complete cold turkey can be dangerous.....something a Doctor sould know.

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