help with home detox part 3

[TexasDumb]

MIKIGLEN,

Who you calling an AGGIE!
No way, I am not gung-ho enough for that bunch of fanatics.

I graduated from SFASU in Nacogdoches, or as we called it: Naca-No-where! (Also a top-notch university.)

Although A&M is a GREAT school with great educational programs. It's just that it seems to me, that when folks come out of there, they are in some kind of "AGGIE CULT" for life!!!!

Me, I am not much of a "joiner." I joined the Boy Scouts and I joined the Air Force because I wanted a photography job and the steel mill at my hometown was going bust in the early 80s. (No jobs.)

But I waited until I was 24 before I joined the military.

When I was 18, and Vietnam was just ending, I would have bet you all the rice in NAM that I would never join any U.S. Military after how stupid that war and our no-win policy was.....

Did you know that in NAM, we would fly over an area and drop out leaflets telling the local populations to leave because tomorrow at noon we were going to BOMB this place!
What's up with that?
I am all for saving civilian lives, but if you get in a WAR, get in it to WIN, or STAY HOME!

But, they changed and so did I.

And I loved my time in the Service, stationed at Ft. Walton Beach, Florida...7 miles from Destin and 33 miles from Pensacola, right on the whitest sandy beaches you have ever seen.
They are so WHITE, that without proper eye protection, they will BLIND you. I learned a lot about sunglasses during my stay there.

As far as the math calculations of your age, I thought I remembered you said you partied for 17 years, hence the extra years I gave to you.
Heck, I'll give you some of mine, I have plenty to spare, ha.

Hope you beat that cold soon,

[mikiglen]

since there are so many newbies with pain pill issues, i am going to repost the link to my first detox thread. i used it like a journal, sometimes posting every few minutes the first few days. i was kicking a huge hydro habit, then went into kicking xanax as well. i was sick, i was exhausted, i was managing four kids, having panic attacks, trying to work.....it's just my experience, but maybe it can help an addict who is wanting to get clean
here ya go
http://www.soberrecovery.com/forums/...ome-detox.html

[mikiglen]

hey, where are steve and batty?

[racegirl2448]

Hello All.........
I am still extremely depressed over starting that job and really honestly enjoying it only to be told after only 3 weeks "it's not working out we have to let you go" ........ I am misrable and depressed and have no motivation to do anything over the last week but I have to get up,brush myself off and get back to living..... which hopefully I can get to doing this week.
Anyways.....
I was cutting up an orange this afternoon and for the first time in my life I sliced my thumb open (I know...I know... I was suppossed to cut the orange & not my thumb..LOL) Thank God I was slicing it on an angle and not straight like I normally would do...for some reason I was cutting it differently today. It was so deep of a cut that had I been cutting straight I would have hit bone Doctor said. I did not go to the hospital right away did not think they would stitch it being cut the way it was but after 3hrs and pressure it was still gushing everytime I took of the gause to look at it so off to the hospital I went. OK now except now it hurts/thobs really really bad...so bad all my fingers are aching must be a nerve related issue or something. You'd think being on the pain meds I am on it would not hurt that bad but....it does and I have not taken any extra pills which I am proud of myself for. Ok well gonna try and get some sleep hopefully I can.

[Ten Chips Down]

Hi Mikiglen i see that Smyle has weighed in on your Pamelor question, very nice.
now allow me

Originally Posted by mikiglen

actually, pamelor is NORtriptyline, and elavil is AMItryptilline
i don't know the difference, i should probably ask ten (speaking of ten, where's tenn?)
i hate to pay for a prescription i won't even take, maybe i just shouldn't get it...i don't know....

Spellings are as follows. Amitriptyline, notriptyline. While both are tricyclic ADs, Pamelor is the newer one. It is better tolerated and has less sedation (believe it or not lol) than Elavil. It is still quite sedating however, so if that's a big trigger for you, then of course you know yourself the best.

Btw. this is funny it made me chuckle: "has anyone ever taken pamelor? i was prescribed it last week to help with migraines, but am thinking of finally getting it filled (funny, how i'm so scared to take meds except opiates, lol)"


And some more help:

"don't know if i want to try it or not, i also wonder since it is an antidepressant, if it might help me in that regard"

You'd be surprised at the number of medicines doctors use for off-label, experimental, and dynamic or evolving purposes. The answer is yes, many antidepressants of the tricyclic class (and some other classes affecting both serotonergic and norepinephrinergic reuptake) can inhibit pain signals.

Most often used for pain associated with neuropathy (which literally means disease of the nerves), your Pamelor is actually used as a preventive tool against migraine--a neurological disease! Moreover, it can actually work faster (yay!) and in smaller doses (yes!) than are indicated for depression.

So...

Anything else ?

Striving ever to be in your service and an asset to the community like our Bear, i remain . . .
Ten

[Ten Chips Down]

Originally Posted by mikiglen

hell, i know i mentioned this a few weeks ago, but update: first of all, i don't drink. i am an alcoholic, and have not had a drink since feb 3, 1993, and haven't wanted one
BUT, the last month or so, my previously "dry" area has become "wet", and i have been innundated with alcohol while shopping.
funny story...TWICE now, i have tried to buy wine coolers...some flavor i have never even heard of, didn't even really want, just wanted to feel "altered". the first time, they wouldn't scan. the second time, i didn't have my license with me and they needed it.
maybe i'm just not supposed to drink again, ya think?

Misti:

This post brings shivers to me, for the same reason TexasD said: You would so lightly chuck a sobriety date like THAT one?

Girl listen. If ya haven't had a drink in 17 year... and it's so important to your inner, personal values that you know the very day of your last drink...

I implore you--give it more weight. Value it more than just something to laugh off because the bottles wouldn't scan... or you didn't have I.D.

Sobriety in all forms for an addict is to be cherished. Seventeen years... is to be taken a bit more seriously.

Love ya -
Ten

[kj0975]

Well now its my turn to weigh in on this issue!!! I took elavil for headaches worked pretty good once I got over the hump. There is a huge hangover in the morning tough to get the "engine" running. Slow starter. I really wanted to stop but I kept trucking on. I would think well I dont have a headache but I cant get out of bed either what kinda quality of life is this!!! After a few weeks that wore off and I could take it at anytime and not wake up with that hangover. I dont know about what you were RX'd but it might have the simular reaction. I will be the first to say it wasnt fun. It worked though the thought of having to take something the rest of my life for headaches made me sad. I had no headaches though. So if its anything like the elavil you will have a hangover but maybe as Ten said not so bad. Definatly worked though. This stuff is RX'd for EVERYTHING!! Hope your feeling better today.

[TexasDumb]

kjo975,

Where you been?

You okay?

[I'mready99]

Mornin Misti...

Thanks for thinking about me...



I haven't been on line much. We're finishing up Rinnie's new house and she and her Mommy and Daddy are moving in on the 9'th of March. Can't wait, she'll be right across the road...

I agree with everyone here. Please don't pick up a drink, wine cooler or anything. It will be like throwing gas on a fire for you. It will only add to the problems that you already are dealing with. Please, get that thought out of your mind...

Alcohol was one of the devils that came close to killing me...

I hope you and your kids have a nice peaceful day.

Steve

[ccgirl]

Just thought I'd weigh in on the amyitriptaline issue. As stated above, there are many other reasons these drugs are prescribed. Get this. My cat is starting on it for OCD (obsessive licking,, etc.)

My husbands's secretary takes it to help her sleep and a friend of mine takes is to help with the pain of fibromyalgia.

Just my two cents!

[kj0975]

Yeah I mean what isnt this drug used for lol. I did research on it b4 I got it filled and there isnt really much this isnt used for!!! Depression, pain, sleep, whatever else you need it for!!!

Hey Texas hows it going havent been around been working WAY to much. Nothing exciting. Work sleep work sleep laundry sleep work clean sleep work! So there you go an update of what I have been doing lol.

I acutally have a day off today and the to do list is out of this world just thought I would pop in and see how everyone is doing. Misti have you ever gone to a counselor? Not meant to be rude but I guess like the rest of us we all like the altered state of mind or else we wouldnt be here right? Alright I take back that question, lol. Answered it myself. Sometimes I just amaze myself..... Alright off to get cleaning ARGH

[mikiglen]

thanks for all the input...i didn't take it last nite, but i did get it filled..only 12.00 for 30....
i can't really use the sobriety date for the alcohol, tho, it doesn't count. alcohol is a drug, i have only been sober since jan 9th.....the 1993 part doesn't matter
i wish it did

[mikiglen]

heh, counselorS, you mean?
just like meds, couldn't be consistent with em, quit taking em, going to em, whatever
now, no insurance, no time
i'll just hire you guys, lol

[kj0975]

LOL well I guess we all help each other!!! Those meds are pretty cheap that is why I was given them cause I had no insurance either. I went to the Doc last week and my knees he said are getting WAY worse has gotten to the point that I cant sleep barely walk. He wants to do a scope I'm not sure how that works I guess my thinking is we pretty much know what the problem is so lets just do the operation but I guess thats not how Dr's work. lol. He gave me a script for ultram? tramadol? something like that. I am affraid to get it filled. I dont know what to do. I do have to take some kinda pain meds to function sometimes but after all I read about this stuff. So I feel your pain of getting that RX filled. Like I said I dont feel it a slip when I do take pain meds I am not abusing and quality of life sometimes is more important. Once again got yelled at for all the advil I take but WTF I dont like to take the pain pills all the time. Oh well I guess I gotta do what I gotta do! How ya feeling?

[kj0975]

Oh and Misti I'm not cheap! As far as the couseling goes other than that though I guess I am not too expensive lol.

[TexasDumb]

You gals are TOO much,

ccgirl, so your cat needs to take meds now? Hey, I have two sweet female cats(one is 'ole three-leg (snakebite) and she's old and a little/lot senile, but sweet) and a hard-headed young male cat that my daughters rescued and brought home.

The male cat is such a BULLY to the other two. Reckon he could be drugged?

kj0975, and that laundry does SO pile up. I actually like "warshing" clothes, just don't like the getting them out of the dryer and on a hanger in time to prevent wrinkles ----I hate to IRON! Ever since basic training.
I am sure you probably already know this, but in case you don't - if the dryer stops and you don't hear it and get your clothes out immediately before they can wrinkle their way to the ironing board, wet some non-linting rags, T-shirts, or the like, and throw them in there with them and run them for about 10-15 more minutes. No wrinkles!

As far as your knees being scoped, if they are bothering you like you say, and you have a good scope doctor - go for it!

It's just a little incision, they run a scope in there with a light and camera on it and just cut and vacuum out all the particules that are in between your cartlidges, knee caps and such.
Pro football running backs often have to get it done, and they are back in the lineup within 2-3 weeks!
You will be amazed at how great your knees feel when you are done!

Now, in the old days, when they went in there with a machete.......that was not good and rarely worked. It ended their careers, usually.

Misti, I sometimes just can't fathom how much "STUFF" that you have to endure in YO' world!
It's a good thing you are "TEXAS TOUGH!"

99, so you get to have your grandchildren 'right across the road,' I guess it doesn't get much better than that for you!
You'll be out there reliving your childhood - climbing trees and making mud pies!

Me, I am OKAY and getting better each day!

See y'all,

[I'mready99]

Yes, TD, I'm very lucky...

I don't know if you have heard my story, but Rinnie is the reason I am clean and sober...

I said I never want her to see her ol Grandpa drunk and stupid like her Mom did...

She is my "New beginning".

[kj0975]

TD thats the problem with my knees is there is no cartlidge left so when I walk its bone on bone. What needs to be done is to cut the tendon that holds my knee cap in place and release the knee cap so that it isnt rubbing in the same spot I guess thats what I get out of it. NOW there is more things wrong with them like what else can be wrong, right? There is fluid in the joints and on the knee cap and something else didnt understand what it was. You know Dr lingo. Its almost as if I have to bring a recoder with me and come home and decifer what the hell he really said. Which is why they want the scope to find out what else is going on in there. Confusing. I'm just the patient. lol.

As far as wrinkles I HATE THEM. I used to have OCD over them and I have calmed down now thank goodness. I can now funtion with wrinkiled unders lol. I have to dress up everyday and so Ironing is something I cant get out of SUCKS. Even my wrinkle free pants wrinkle. I do throw in the damp t-shirt and such and it does work for the most part. I havent had any time to do laundry I even went out and bought new unders and socks lol. Pathetic I know! Well hope everyone has a great day!

[racegirl2448]

KJ > I totally understand about the quality of life vs pain meds & addiction
I too must be on something for cronic pain... if not for my meds I'd be unable to work or function as a normal person. I would be in bed all day crying & wondering when the pain will stop. I did take more than I was allowed in a day but I came to my senses and buckled down and sience approximately Chirstmas I have only taken what I am allowed and no extras (except for 1 day here & there... I slipped and took 1 extra pill but it was only I think a total of 3 times I slipped) it is so hard to balance cronic pain and the need for live with pain meds....but I do it...somehow I get through one day at a time.
Miki > I have no been on awhile cuz of that stupid job I took and going to school but..... I noticed your sober date was listed Jan 9th.... I missed alot I guess....did you mess up at one point? No need to write the whole story again just let me know if you had a previous post about that issue I can look back on and read. OH- are you still working for that guy from home...how is that whole boss issue going recently? Just curious.
99 > congrads on the "new beginning" funny how little ones always seem to give some people the strength & courage to change ...wish I had little ones of my own to get me through the rough days but I don't and so I get through on my own and when the urges to take an extra pill get bad enough I just lay down and take a nap to get my mind off it...when I wake up it is usually time for my normal daily dose. That works for me....when I get a new job again naps will not be an option any longer and I will cross that bridge when I get here.
HAVE A GREAT DAYS GUYS.....

[TexasDumb]

99,
While I have never posted to you, or even introduced myself, I HAVE read your story.
I think you are an inspiration to me and the rest of us on here! You are always so upbeat, positive, and encouraging to us.
Keep it up! And thanks!

kj0975,

So, you have the wrinkle blues too? And you already know the tricks.
I can tell you, you have it worse than me, or maybe just a better S*X life than me!

I could care less if my whitey-tighties are wrinkled. Hmmm, wait a minute, maybe that explains my lack of S*X life! Nahhhh.

You hate wrinkles like I hate warshing dishes. I sometimes think, heck, I could just go buy some more dinnerware easier than warshing these things!
But that would only work once........then I am back in the same boat with the same paddle.

Your knees - Oh, worse than I had hoped for you.

Bone on bone is not good. You ABSOLUTELY CAN NOT allow that to go on! I don't mean to scare you, but it will just get worse and worse until they can't fix it.
And knees are a very complex and wonderful joint, we just can't smoke it. We kinda need them to be ambulatory!
Me, so far, knock on wood, have been blessed and never hurt my knees...Last winter one of my good buds blew out his knee skiing in Colorado when his ski binding did not release in a fall. OUCH!

But medical techniques have come a long, long ways since my bone-crunching football days!

It's never good when they have to cut ligaments or tendons...although ligaments are worse because they DO NOT grow back/regenerate...tendons can and do, slowly!

So, your scope is probably just to go in there and see what they need to or can do...I still say you gotta go for it!

'Course that's easy for me to say sittin' up here on the porch, spouting bull about YOUR knees!
But, like I said, WE REALLY need our knees to function.

Modern knee repair is greatly enhanced now...just make sure you go to a great knee surgeon.

My advice is to find out which doctor the NFL Pro Football team in your area uses, and go to him.
If your NFL team uses him on their $12-million-dollar racehorses/money-makers, he'll be good enough for you too, ha.

Good luck to ya' and good knees to ya' also,

[kj0975]

Thanks race and TD. Its so very hard sometimes. My Dr's told me I have to start acting on my knee issues instead of procrastinating. The operation is 50/50 not very good odds I guess then I would have to get complete knee replacements. Although they say as long as I'm waling I guess its ok. So my ortho dr would rather not do the surgery. As far as the scope goes I guess I should bite the bullet and become "Texas though" ! Maybe they will find something that they will do and will help. Oh well... I work with Drs and I go to the one that was recommended by almost all of them seperatly too. So I know I got myself a good one. Well I am now procrastinating on cleanin lol got the laundry hung and put away still more to do though. Does it ever end? I need a maid, lol.

I have to laugh my mom says warsh too we always pick on her! What else does she say funny. I know this isnt how its spelled but how it sounds. Sandwriches. lol

[mikiglen]

wrinkles, ah, who cares? i don't even own an iron, lol
RG, i am so sorry about your job, pm me when you have time. i went on a weekend bender with stupid provigil of all things....nonaddictive, no high, but since i abused it, i changed my clean date. still no opiates, tho, since nov 26th, yay!
ultram, i abused it. it's an Ad, as well as pain med...gives me energy and focus.....you know yourself, kj...you don't need to be in pain. an arthroscope is a pretty routine procedure....just a small hole, look inside to see what's going on...day surgery, i'm pretty sure. i can relate...my neurologist has said the herniation in my discs is getting worse (why i also have trouble walking sometimes)....he wants to do an MRI, but then what am i gonna do? have surgery? hell, no! he says it's either surgery, or pain meds the rest of my life. what a choice, eh? i asked about steroid shots and he said they don't work.
when do you find out about your knee?
you need a maid, i need a counselor.....and a nanny....and a maid....lolollol
HAPPY BIRTHDAY, NORTH!!!!
glad to see you back steve, i missed you. got any pics of the house???

[mikiglen]

heh, it's like breftast (my kids)
or jonathan always says "I'M IS, MOMMY"
sundee, saturdee, fedruardee
and it's also sammiches here, lol

[mikiglen]

ok, i'm in trouble. i am in my second week of stay at home mommy with no work, and i love it! i have time to play with the kids, to cook, to clean, to rest, to do whatever i want to do without any stress of a job.
i don't want to go back to work
i know i have to, in fact, i need to be looking now....need to find something from home since i don't have day care.
i'm just being damn lazy and irresponsible, but God, i have felt so much better the last two weeks
all thanks to my angel for helping to support me

[TexasDumb]

You girls are TOO much!

Misti, you don't even own an iron??? My kind of woman, want to get married?

I own an iron, but I play like I don't.

kj0975,

I did not want to say it, but after you told me bone on bone, I figured about 50/50 prognosis...but that is best-case scenerio in which they fix it perfectly, like brand new.
Whatever they do, they WILL NOT make it WORSE! So, keep that in mind.

It's good you have a great doctor, that helps.
And you seem so nice, I'd bet God steps in and helps your surgery/knee just because you are nice.

By the way, or you a believer in acupressure or have you ever tried it?

There is a little-bitty spot, about the size of a pencil eraser, on the bottom of your heel that is "THE SPOT" for your knee(s)
On your left foot it is at the very back and outside point on your heel on the edge of your foot..right foot just the opposite.

If you will sit in a chair, take a marble and put the marble on the floor.

(I use a special little piece of wood that I drilled a hole in and glued a one-inch long 1/2 diameter dowel rod into.)

Put your heel on the marble, and start pushing down on that spot mentioned above. When you find the spot for your knee it will hurt like the feeling of a nerve shooting out.
You'll know you hit the spot when the nerves shoot pain all the way up into your nose and makes your eyes water...I'm serious!

(For speed's sake, you can take the eraser side of a pencil and just jab around in that spot until you find it. It's just easier and more comforatable to do it on the floor.)

So, what you do is just apply slight pressure, or as much as you can stand, for a few minutes several times a day for a few days.

And then in about 3-7 days, you'll come back to that spot and you can't find it or make it hurt...it's gone, you have fixed it, at least temporarily.
But jab around on other spots on your feet, there are plenty of other spots that need attending to.

I promise you, this WILL help your knee. It will not replace surgery, but it will help with the pain and walking.
Something about the nerves all connect and end in our feet, and what you are doing is massaging that nerve circuit and increasing circulation to your knee, etcetera....

Did you know, of course, they we as humans, are electrically wired, ie...nerves. In fact, our brains use the equivalent of a 25-watt light bulb.

If you ever lay in the bed in a real quite time and concentrate, I mean really concentrate, you can hear your brain buzzing, like an electric impulse!

I hope I am not FREAKING everybody out on here, I am not WACKO.
Of course, I'd be the last to know if I actually was, ha.

I know it sounds weird, but the Chinese have been doing acupressure for 3,000 years, me - only about 30 years.

I have copies of the exact spots on the bottom of our feet that show what each spot relates/connects to..... I could mail you a copy or fax you one if you have a fax number.

Trust me, it works! Plus,if you try it, what have you got to loose???????


Racegirl2448,

I am also sorry you too are in so much pain.

To hear you women talk about y'all's chronic pains, makes me sad, AND realize that I guess I am lucky and should thank my stars above.