treating stimulant abuse/recovery

[Christian]

Modafinil + Neurontin

right now there is a 'prometa' treatment for math/cocaine. the forumula is secret, but it apparently works on the GABA system. it is known that the formula uses 3 already approved FDA medications.

i am trying to figure out what they are, and I think I have 1 so far.
Neurontin . I think this is really important in treatment of stimulant abuse, do your own research, but I would bet that this is the main active ingrediant in the Prometa treatment (which boast an almost 20k price tag currently). Neurontin works on the GABA system to help nerves and CNS regenerate.



regarding frontal lobe, coke/meth and other drugs decrease the amount of dopaime activity there, modafinil is shown to activate and use certain pathways to counter this negative effect. this is responsible for higher cognitive abilitis and reasoning that former drug users often lack.

part of the bad part of drugs is they can cause certain negative feedback loops in the brain, which is kinda like a short circuit. Modafinil may be helpful in reversing this.

Talk to your doctor about Modafinil and Neurontin if you are one of these people recovering from stimulants. He will have the best information, also do your own research and investigation and take an active part in your own health.

also dr mercola is an aweseom resource for all types of info

[Shakur]

Hi,
Modafanil IS a Schedule 3 CDS itself, or 4, but its definitely controlled. I tweaked hard for 9 years, switching from Coke to Meth to Adderall to Ritalin to Modafanil is no different than going from Heroin to Methadone to Percocet to Vicodin. You cannot treat drug addiction with drugs, if you could, I'd do it. Its called substitution. I tried, and learned the hard way. But that's just my experience. Maybe this will work for you.

Modafanil is definitely lightweight compared to meth or even amphetamine, but it still tickles the same receptors that meth and amphetamine feed, and the phenomenon of craving continues. I knew a guy who was on Modafanil maintenance, and all he wanted was to get back on stronger amphetamine.

Anyone addicted to stims should detox, and go to NA or AA, in my opinion.

If psychiatry worked to cure addiction, well, you figure it out.

Modafanil is a stimulant. Do the math. Or learn the hard way, by taking the path of least resistance. The easy way is the hard way. The hard way is the easy way, when taking the long view, which few addicts want to do.

Be Well,
Joe

[Done_With_It]

Thanks for the info. Christian. Some people may get help from this drug.

I looked into it when I was detoxing, but it's hard to find.

If it gets someone off meth, then more power to them!!

Thanks again for the info!

[spark-o-cet]

also i was wonderin if this had any effect on opiate addicts goin thru detox.if anyone knows or where to look it up please post it asap.anything is better than suboxone or subtex.this does not work.good luck and thanks for the info-spark

[Done_With_It]

From what I have read on it and heard about it, it is only for amphetamines, meth, coke, and I guess alcohol as well.

http://www.prometainfo.com/pi/

[liveweyerd]

That's scary. My best girlfriend was just prescribed Adderall. I don't know what it is.

[Done_With_It]

For what? That's for ADD?

[Done_With_It]

Live,

It's a stimulant and if you have ADD it helps to slow down the brain.
But it is often abused, esp. by those who don't really have it.

[liveweyerd]

okay, thanks.

[windysan]

I do know about neurontin.........that crap turned me into a knucklehead. I was so wacked on brain meds(neurontin, zyprexa, lithium, other crap) when I got out of detox. When I showed up at rehab it took me 2 weeks to recover from all that crap. Everybody at the rehab thought I was mentally retarded. Really. I couldn't walk straight. I couldn't talk right. Man, it was scary. I thought I was gonna be like that forever. I thought to myself, "Okay, Windysan, you've done it now. You've bought the farm, dude. You are now an official crazy, retarded burnout". After about 2 weeks of drinking TONS of water and peeing a LOT(good advice from a stripper friend in rehab) I started getting better. People told me that they really thought I was retarded.

I stay away from all that crap. I know some people need medication but I don't want any of it.....nada. That crap had my head screwed on backwards. The only thing I take is ibuprofen when I have pain.

[AVR]

I was prescribed Neurontin from a addiction psychiatrist to help with sleep while going through opiate withdrawal and I did a little research on it. Apparently it is not approved by the FDA for anything other than some kind of nerve disorder, etc. The company that manufactures it is having some problems because they have been marketing the drug for other uses which are not FDA approved, particularly psychiatric conditions. If you do a google search on it you can see that there are a few lawyers out there trying to gather people for a class action suit against the manufacturer.

That said, I haven't noticed the problems with it that you did Windysan, however, I am only taking it at night to make me sleepy, and taking a low dose. I am definitely going to be discussing it with my Dr. though next time I see him. I think the reason he prescribed that instead of something like Ambien was because the Neurontin is supposed to be non-addictive...

[Shakur]

Hi,

"Addiction is physical, the treatment is medical" runs the Prometa ad campaign.

"Addiction is physical". I disagree. Addiction is compulsive behavior, the repetetion of a pleasurable experience, ad nausueam, until one destroys one's life. It is a disordered manner of coping with reality. The addict takes substances (physical) because he or she cannot cope (psychological/mental/spiritual) with reality. If addiction is merely physical, then so is life, and all things, and mainlining meth to deal with our miserable lives should work just fine (meth is physical, meth is chemical, and meth is also available via prescription, as Desoxyn, so methamphetamine is medical too)

Methadone is a medical treatment for addiction. Cocaine-laced home remedies were touted as a cure for morphine addiction in the 19th century. Methadone was touted as a treatment for heroin addiction. How many happy methadonians do you know? I have met many, and all they complain of is the fact that they need more methadone, or they want to go back on dope.

If you give a drug addict pills, you reinforce his or her basic (and dysfunctional) relationship with reality, which states that the answer to all of life's problems lies outside him or herself, in a drink, drug, orgasm, or person.

Granted, I'd rather have a million Prometeans running around than a million hardcore meth or crack fiends, but there will never be a million Prometeans running around, bccause no serious drug fiend will stay on it, or be able to afford it.

I have been on Modafanil and Neurontin, they did not work to cure this fiend.

Of course a drug addict will be happy if you are giving him drugs in a controlled environment for the purposes of a medical study, but the notion that a pill will cure addiction is typical of the American way of thinking, which is predicated on quick, easy answers, usually in pill form.

I am fat, "take a pill". I feel bad, "take a pill". I want to be more beautiful, "get plastic surgery."

But perhaps this treatment will work, and crackheads, drunks, meth freaks and no-hopers the nation over will suddenly become contented, productive, useful citizens. If that happens, I'll be the first to applaud. Until then, I'll keep hanging out in church basements.

And how much money did they pay poor Chris Farley's family to use that vile picture of him they're using to advertise this campaign?

When something looks too good to be true, it usually is. But that's just my opinion.

( And science IS the new relgion, also in my opinion. )

Addiction is physical, the treatment is medical, medical treatment is physical, and you get the recipe: substitute one drug for another, and make billions of dollars off of poor hopeless addicts. Addiction is chemical, medical treatment is chemical etc.

Be Well,
Joe

PS- AA and NA have over five million members, and they're both free, and they work. But maybe this will work too, who knows? I just know 12 Step Recovery saved my ass, and I've been homeless, locked up, etc. Good luck to anyone out there suffering from substance abuse issues. I feel you, and my thoughts and prayers are with you.

[Christian]

Originally Posted by liveweyerd

That's scary. My best girlfriend was just prescribed Adderall. I don't know what it is.

ouch. Adderall is 4 amphetamine salts. Doctors can still prescribe it, but I am weary since it is amphetamine. At least I konw I would never take it. But amphetamine and ritalin are shown 'effective' treatment for ADD and certain other tests, meaning the scores will be higher on certain tests that measure ADD cognitive performance, ext...

but what is missing from the equation, is what are the long term side effects of taking an amphetamine, and is it really worth it?



BUT, from what I was reading, there can be certain negative feedback loops that occur in drug users (the short circuits) that persist even after cesation of the drug itself. So I mean obviously there needs to be a treatment from a wide variety of angles, AA/NA, diet, exercise, therapy, possible anti-depressant treatment, or as I mentioned earlier Modafinil or Neurontin.

Originally Posted by windysan

I do know about neurontin.........that crap turned me into a knucklehead. I was so wacked on brain meds(neurontin, zyprexa, lithium, other crap) when I got out of detox. When I showed up at rehab it took me 2 weeks to recover from all that crap. Everybody at the rehab thought I was mentally retarded. Really. I couldn't walk straight. I couldn't talk right. Man, it was scary. I thought I was gonna be like that forever. I thought to myself, "Okay, Windysan, you've done it now. You've bought the farm, dude. You are now an official crazy, retarded burnout". After about 2 weeks of drinking TONS of water and peeing a LOT(good advice from a stripper friend in rehab) I started getting better. People told me that they really thought I was retarded.

I stay away from all that crap. I know some people need medication but I don't want any of it.....nada. That crap had my head screwed on backwards. The only thing I take is ibuprofen when I have pain.

true, I was paranoid and weary of any and all medications (and doctors for that matter) for a period of probably 6 years (until this date). Now I am slowly weaning back to trusting the medical establishment and community. No doubt just prescribing drugs is not goign to fix a problem, but its prossible to elp.

The way I look at it, if I am able to take all these illicit drugs to fsck up my head, then I should also be able to take some 'good' drus to help me on recovery. I think the mail point is really the desire to get better, and it needs to be looked at from many angles, like social aspects even, what is your place socially now that you are not using? Can you still goto 'the party' and be clean, can you still have your old friends? What is your new role, its pretty hard to get adjusted to.

Originally Posted by AVR

I was prescribed Neurontin from a addiction psychiatrist to help with sleep while going through opiate withdrawal and I did a little research on it. Apparently it is not approved by the FDA for anything other than some kind of nerve disorder, etc. The company that manufactures it is having some problems because they have been marketing the drug for other uses which are not FDA approved, particularly psychiatric conditions. If you do a google search on it you can see that there are a few lawyers out there trying to gather people for a class action suit against the manufacturer.

That said, I haven't noticed the problems with it that you did Windysan, however, I am only taking it at night to make me sleepy, and taking a low dose. I am definitely going to be discussing it with my Dr. though next time I see him. I think the reason he prescribed that instead of something like Ambien was because the Neurontin is supposed to be non-addictive...

http://www.mercola.com/2004/sep/4/drug_companies.htm

This is true. and also resolved now. Warner-Lambert, a one-time independent now owned by Pfizer that recently pled guilty to illegally marketing Neurontin for treating ailments it wasn't approved to cover before August 1996. Warner-Lambert paid a sizeable fine ($430 million) and its parent agreed to stricter rules to compliance laws tighter than existing marketing rules. In addition, it also agreed to fund a multi-million program to educate doctors about Neurontin.

The Warner-Lambert executives who executed the marketing plan were never prosecuted for their shenanigans. Lastly, and most importantly, Neurontin sales in 2004 are projected to exceed last year's totals: $2.7 billion. Federal law prohibits drug firms from marketing their products for treatments that aren't FDA-approved. Neurontin's expressed use was as an anti-seizure drug for epileptics early on and later for shingle-related nerve pain.


What I am referring to specifically regartding Neurontin, is regarding the Prometa treatment for stimulant abuse. It uses a combo of FDA approved meds to treat stimulant treatment in specific, since it is theorized by someone who is really smart in the area of stimulant abuse that stimulant abuse can cause lasting changes to certain areas of the brain related to the GABA system, so essentially it could be looked at as say your brain is a highway system, and stimulants 're-route' certain roads or freeways in this area (well I would guess all drugs reroute to some extent). And Neurontin acts on this area of the brain to help restore central nervous system functions.

I am just guessing here, but I wuld guess Prometa contains Neurontin as one of its 'proprietary blend' of FDA approved ingrediants. I am currently on Neurontin now at very low doses. Let me start with saying my problem in specific, I get these severe headaches, jaw aches, neck aches, back aches, I think its a resultant combo of PTSD and stimulant abuse. I starting the neurontin at very low doses, and notice a mild improvement in my head and nerves. Its almost as if before I had permanent 'lock jaw' or coke jaw that those who abuse stimulants konw what im talking about. My parents told my when I was young not to stare at the TV or else I may permanently become like that, well this is what may have happened with stimulants and the jaw tensions ext ...

Anyways I think the neurontin is helpful IN MY CASE, which is probably the labeled reason for taking neurontin, namely neuropathic pain (nerve pain,tension especially in the jaw/neck).

Regarding Neurontin for opiate abuse, I did some quick search, and it can possibly be helpful for immediate opiate withdrawl, but I dont think long term it is effective.

http://www.remedyfind.com/treatments/67/1433/

The main point is the Prometa treatment for stimulants I am pretty sure is based on Neurontin, but it costs upwards of $20,000. so for those of us who

might not be able to do that, neurontin would be a possible alternative ... but only if you think u have neuropathic pain (constant head pain or headaches or tensions or neck/jaw tensions). If not and you think you can benefit from neurontin, you may want to talk to you doctor and get SMALL dose and see if it benefits.

As with anything I reccomend, the first point is that it is not harmful. Neurontin is shown to be safe and well tolerated with little side effects, similar to Modafinil.

This is not the case obviously for all presription/FDA approved MEDS, as some MESD will rip apart your liver, cause blindness (viagra), heart attack (vioxx), and otherwise tax/destroy your system/kidneys/liver, or otherwise have negative side effect profile.

So these things at least are safe and worst case is they would not help you. ..

ok, well I gtg for now, I will continue later with more information on Mofainil as I focused this post on Neurontin primarily. but dont confuse meds for the answer, as I stated before I think you need to approach from as many angles as possible, meds being one of them.

[carolm]

I took neurontin after back surgery for pain. I had a tumor scraped off a nerve, therefore neurontin. It made me sleep all day and all night. I hated it, although it did get rid of the pain.

Shakur:
I am on provigil, but I didn't start taking it until I was about 13 years sober and clean. My psychiatrist says it is not a stimulant in the medical sense. It helps me to focus and do what I need to do during the day. However, I do notice that if I'm out of pills for a few days, I spent those days very tired.

Hmmmmm.....

Carol

[Done_With_It]

Christian from what I (think I know) Prometta is not a long term thing is it?
Isn't it used to help people get off of stimulents and then to be weaned off of?

Or am I wrong?

I know in the beginning I looked into to it, because I was so desperate to get off of meth. I was completely hopeless.

But now that I'm off, I wouldn't go on it. I do know I need to get back on my antidepresants, but they are not marketing this as something to say, replace anti's, are they?

Just curious, it's been a while since I read up on it.

[stonespike]

I suppose smoking cigarettes is considered a stimulant, no? Something that at the age of 21 have seemed to have put into full habituation. I often times wonder why the hell i smoke, whats the point? It's hindered me physically, compared to what I WOULD be if I didnt smoke--- I believe anyways.

I've been smoking normally since i was 16 or 17, so give or take 4 to 5 years. Wow, amazing how the years stack up... i remember looking down the barrel of time and only saying, "2 years? thats not bad, havent smoked tobacco for THAT long." Only now am I seeing the reprocussions of my actions of becoming addicted to this crapppp. My body shouldn't have to LIVE or REVOLVE around nicotine, oxycontin, might as well throw marijuana in there somewhere, etc. Mentally it's taking shape, i fear.


sober? still smoking cigarettes currently... but havent used since 8/12/06. college/school starting back up again on Mon. guess u could say i got the pre-class jitters??

[Smyle]

provigil is a stimulant of sorts....but that is no matter as long as you are not abusing it !!!

I have pushed pills (legally) for 15 years and let me just say I will never trust a drug company...they do the research but there are companies that withhold information and that of course can lead to HUGE problems...I mean for example ..what christian is talking about... 20 grand for a drug that costs less than 20 to make ....yah I know...they have to market it thats why it is so expensive ...Blah Blah Blah....I am just really jaded having worked with the drug reps coming in pushing thier drug and buying us expensive lunches to tell us about it ...yada yada...then expecting US to call the Dr when we thought we could maybe get a script switched to thier drug...How is it MY place to change a drug the dr prescribed...but it can be done....CRAP bunch of crap,,,that is !!!!

I just think the patents are not long enough for what they really get accomplished...17 yrs is NO time to really understand a drug and really it is on the market in less than 6 yrs ....which is not enough time to gather info for us on most drugs...Look at Zoloft...it just got a black box a few years ago and has been a problem for yrs in teens...and others......

and who trusts the FDA anyway...they are the same bunch of yahoos that had PPA ON THE MARKET FOREVER....killing people who used it....

as always this is my JADED opinion...I could rant all day bout this...so i will stop cause I am getting crazy in my head...thinking I should go back work in pharmacy to try to change the things I can....but an addict in a pharmacy is like that bull in a china shop....NO GOOD !!!! even if my intentions are pure....

I also agree you CANNOT treat a stimulant addiction with a freakin stimulant....and neurontin is a burly drug...yes it is effective for nerve damage and is useful in this area...great for shingles too.... but I am not crazy about it for addiction treatment.....and they have tossed that around for years...there is a reason they got sued....SHADY.....

Peace~
B

[Christian]

this is relaly annoying

"You have included 5 images in your message. You are limited to using 3 images so please go back and correct the problem and then continue again.
"
if i could have this limit raised that would be very helpful.

Originally Posted by carolm

I took neurontin after back surgery for pain. I had a tumor scraped off a nerve, therefore neurontin. It made me sleep all day and all night. I hated it, although it did get rid of the pain.

Shakur:
I am on provigil, but I didn't start taking it until I was about 13 years sober and clean. My psychiatrist says it is not a stimulant in the medical sense. It helps me to focus and do what I need to do during the day. However, I do notice that if I'm out of pills for a few days, I spent those days very tired.

Hmmmmm.....

Carol

eeek i lost my quality post! this one will be a quickie

neurontin can possible help stimulant abuse, ie: tweeker syndrome where someone feels high strung all the time. Neurontin is NOT a habit forming benzo (which I stay away from o.O) it works on CNS by relaxing, and possibly allowing for your own bodys healing and recovery of nerve cells/pathways.

I think that neurontin would not be effect for opiate abuse, alcoholism, or anything else really, since stimulants are the ones that act on your nervous system.


I just received my Modafinil (aka Provigil) 3 days ago, and I started with 1/4 200mg pill dose, and today I took 1/2 pill. I am worried that Carolm mentions regarding tiredness when you are not on it. This is not a desired effect for me in a drug. I am going to give modafinil a 2-3 week trial, to see how I feel, to see how I feel WHEN I AM NOT ON IT, and assess my overall condition recovery. The thing about modafinil is, its safe and has almost 30 years of trails and testing, however they dont really konw how it works Even the manufacturer doesn't exactly know. They know its safe, possibly as coffee.

In my situation I am willing to be experimentative with trying different things to see what can have a theraputic effect, and possibly caus long term changes for the better.

My idea with Modafinil (regarding CArolM), is to maybe cycle it, like take a few weeks off every once in a while to restabalize your body. To see how you feel then. That is why I would never take Adderall, although it may make you feel good when you are on it, it is show to caus significan withdrawl, and also possibly negative changes to your brain and be addictive.

Originally Posted by Done-With-It

Christian from what I (think I know) Prometta is not a long term thing is it?
Isn't it used to help people get off of stimulents and then to be weaned off of?

Or am I wrong?

I know in the beginning I looked into to it, because I was so desperate to get off of meth. I was completely hopeless.

But now that I'm off, I wouldn't go on it. I do know I need to get back on my antidepresants, but they are not marketing this as something to say, replace anti's, are they?

Just curious, it's been a while since I read up on it.

Prometa is designed I am pretty sure for active meth/cocaine users. It is a month long treatment, where you goto a hospital, and they put you on an IV for an hour or so wit thier proprietary "prometa" blend of already approved FDA drugs. You repeat this a few times over the week, then go on regular meds, then finish the month with another IV. It apparently is really beneficial for people to kick the habit, it was designed by a top drug researcher and expert in the field, so I guess he konws some secrets about meth abuse and what it does to your brain and how to effectively treat it. Unfortunately Prometa is being marketed by Hythiam corp. and costs up to $20,000 from what I have heard, its sad because apparently they have some really golden information relating to meth treatment, but at an extremenly high cost. They release little information about it, I know 1 person who has undergone the treatment, and she said she really liked it.

How long does the treatment take?
The treatment from the first day to the last is a total of 33 days.
3 days of treatment.
28 days of prescription meds and vitamins.
2 more days of treatment.

(than maybe a week or so more till your done with the prescription.)


some prometa scientific study
http://www.prometainfo.com/pi/resour...874AA88058ABCD

so to answer your question Prometa is an immediate intervention currently to get users to quit meth in the short term. Although I do theorize that there could be several ingrediants in Prometa that could be altered and made to be used for recovery for already abstinent users, but for now its just immediate intervention treatment.

Regarding Anti-D, I think that would help. Also if I remember you are exercising as well, that is possibly the strongest anti-depressant there is. All these things help remodel your brain and (re)grow brain cells to help make you better =] Also therapy, and several other things are important as well and can help speed recovery.

regarding Neurontin, I suspect this could be a primary ingrediant in Prometa. It acts similarly to a benzo (relax), but not addictive or dangerous like a benzo. I am trying to find out prometa ingrediant blend from the person I konw who got the treatment. Not sure how successful I will be

Originally Posted by stonespike

I suppose smoking cigarettes is considered a stimulant, no? Something that at the age of 21 have seemed to have put into full habituation. I often times wonder why the hell i smoke, whats the point? It's hindered me physically, compared to what I WOULD be if I didnt smoke--- I believe anyways.

I've been smoking normally since i was 16 or 17, so give or take 4 to 5 years. Wow, amazing how the years stack up... i remember looking down the barrel of time and only saying, "2 years? thats not bad, havent smoked tobacco for THAT long." Only now am I seeing the reprocussions of my actions of becoming addicted to this crapppp. My body shouldn't have to LIVE or REVOLVE around nicotine, oxycontin, might as well throw marijuana in there somewhere, etc. Mentally it's taking shape, i fear.


sober? still smoking cigarettes currently... but havent used since 8/12/06. college/school starting back up again on Mon. guess u could say i got the pre-class jitters??

niccoteine is actually considered a 'smart drug,' it improves memory, learning, and several other things and is possibly even beneficial for cognitive enhancement. HOWEVER tobacco, the plant it comes in is a carcinogen containing many toxins, causing cancer also, and polluting your entire body with poisons. Adding that you smoke it, you are annihilating your lungs, which are responsible for gettig you OXYGEN. not somethign i would mess with

just get niccoteine gum is your best answer.

Also, WEllbutrin (bupropion) is shown to be effective in quitting cigs ... talk to your doctor or you get get niccoteine gum anywhere.

would modafinil be effective for you? talk to your doctor, its probably worth a shot to try it at least because it is non stimulant and helps with attention also.

and you are taking oxy-c and marijuana? i didnt get that, i hope not though ... very damaging things

Originally Posted by Smyle

provigil is a stimulant of sorts....but that is no matter as long as you are not abusing it !!!

I have pushed pills (legally) for 15 years and let me just say I will never trust a drug company...they do the research but there are companies that withhold information and that of course can lead to HUGE problems...I mean for example ..what christian is talking about... 20 grand for a drug that costs less than 20 to make ....yah I know...they have to market it thats why it is so expensive ...Blah Blah Blah....I am just really jaded having worked with the drug reps coming in pushing thier drug and buying us expensive lunches to tell us about it ...yada yada...then expecting US to call the Dr when we thought we could maybe get a script switched to thier drug...How is it MY place to change a drug the dr prescribed...but it can be done....CRAP bunch of crap,,,that is !!!!

I just think the patents are not long enough for what they really get accomplished...17 yrs is NO time to really understand a drug and really it is on the market in less than 6 yrs ....which is not enough time to gather info for us on most drugs...Look at Zoloft...it just got a black box a few years ago and has been a problem for yrs in teens...and others......

and who trusts the FDA anyway...they are the same bunch of yahoos that had PPA ON THE MARKET FOREVER....killing people who used it....

as always this is my JADED opinion...I could rant all day bout this...so i will stop cause I am getting crazy in my head...thinking I should go back work in pharmacy to try to change the things I can....but an addict in a pharmacy is like that bull in a china shop....NO GOOD !!!! even if my intentions are pure....

I also agree you CANNOT treat a stimulant addiction with a freakin stimulant....and neurontin is a burly drug...yes it is effective for nerve damage and is useful in this area...great for shingles too.... but I am not crazy about it for addiction treatment.....and they have tossed that around for years...there is a reason they got sued....SHADY.....

Peace~
B

very very true!

I mean, even with illegal pushing of neurontin they were fined 400 million or so for, made 2.5 billion in 2004 alone.

also vioxx, need i say more?

FDA is reportedly a shady organazation at best, their approval or disapproval on a drug seems influenced by drug companies, and no means makes something safe (or unsafe for drugs disapproved). So much politics of course comes to ply obviously since there is such huge dollars at sake heree.

http://www.google.com/custom?domains...3BFORID%3A1%3B

just look at the top 20 headlines and u see what i mean.

your opinion is not jaded Smyle, its real.

im not sure what PPA is though ?

no, I wasn't saying neurontin is a treatment for addiction, i was saying it could be specifically used for meth treatment, since meth is really hard on the CNS and can cause damage, and this could possibly alleviate some stress and allow for repair on nerve. This is unique to meth since other drugs dont really work on this.

However, Modafinil, the drug which they really dont know how it works, seems to show promise is cocaine users, and I heard alcoholics also. SO possibly it may have some hope.

But the warning you give is good, just because something is approved for the FDA, even for 30 years, doesn't mean its safe


take amalgam fillings for example that contain mercury that dentists STILL give out today to fill fillings (instead of new safe composite). I heard those are anything but safe.

ok, thats all for now ;p

[Smyle]

that drives me crazy about the fillings too...if they leak...well that has loads of affects on the body to poisoning a fetue to migraines in the patient ???

I had all mine removed before they could leak....

Provigil is a good drug....very effective yet like I said can be habit forming. I have seen a few people have problems with it but they say the withdrawl is not too bad...just tired


I hope it works for you,

~B