Help with subutex- NOT Suboxone

[marvelgirl]

I need help from someone who knows about Subutex induction, not suboxone. I've gotten on suboxone after a million tries. If you know me then you prob know that I had a really hard time getting to the point where I was sick enough to take the suboxone, for several reasons. I have a friend who is going through the same thing now. He heard though that to start subutex you don't have to be as sick as you do to get on suboxone since it doesn't have naloxone in it. Does anyone know about this? Apparently you can start the subutex after being in mild withdrawal and then after a day switch over to the suboxone. If I knew about this I prbably would have gotten on the subs months ago. So does anyone have any help for me? Can you really start subutex in mild withdrawal as opposed to suboxone where you have to be in moderate withdrawal? Just in case it matters, they're doing H. I don't know exactly how much a day but he has a Moderate habit I'd guess. Thanks to anyone who can help here. I really want to help this guy get clean.

[pillzrbadd]

Hi, I might not be much help but i have been on both subutex and suboxone. I was told by my addiction physiciatrist that i had to be without any drug for 12-24 hours. Of course i chose 12 hours, at 5:00 one evening was my last time using and was to see my MD at 8 am next morning. My withdrawls started at about 3am..as i sat watching the clock until it was time to go. the minutes felt like days as i was shaking sweating, the anxiety level was horrible, but i knew that each minute was closer to feeling better with suboxone. well my point is, being only 12-14 hours without my DOC the suboxone worked wonderfully. The only experience i had with subutex was i became pregnant and MD switched me to subutex. sorry not much help..take care

[Orfan]

I've been on both Subutex and Suboxone aswell - at different times (after about 0.5 gram a day Heroin habit). With the Subutex, I had my first dose the morning after having my last hit the night before ... no problems what so ever ( - except for getting the correct dose amount worked out). However, Suboxone was a different kettle of fish altogether ... I picked up my first dose maybe 10 hours after my last hit and I went straight into precipitated withdrawal. My advice - wait as long as possible .. at LEAST 24 hours. If you do it beforehand, just be prepared for the withdrawal.

Sounds like you are on the right track with what you stated above.

[Rhenardine]

24 hours ought to do it, but, thr general concensus is " The sicker the better", so 48 is better. The reason for this is simple...Suboxone wont make you feel good, but it will make you fell NOT COMPLETLY HORRIBLE. The sicker you are when you take it, the more drsmatic an inprovemnt you are likely to feel. Good luck with the subs..I found it wasnt for me..dont let me scare you, though...for many many folks it is a miracle pill. I just found that some of the side effects I could not tolerate. By all means, give it a shot, just make sure your doc is accessable so that you can report and deal with any bad side effects.