Suboxone ?s need help now! Please!! <3

[Pistoletta]

Hey there. Greetings from Philly.

I'm gonna make a long story short. I've been doing heroin every day for about the past 7 months. I tried to quit cold turkey two days ago, and I made it through about 36 hours before I just broke down. I was lucky enough to have a lady who a friend of mine knows from NA programs come to stay with me to help get me through it and keep me company so I wasn't so alone and tempted with things, but at about 7pm last night, I said F**K this and carried my happy ass up to the Badlands and made myself feel better.

I felt pretty disgusted with myself and in my heart, I really want to quit this crap. I'm sick of it. I'm sick of it governing every aspect of my life and controlling my every move. I'm sick of everything about it. The physical withdrawl was just entirely too much for me to handle and process. For reasons I don't care to mention, I am unable to go into a methadone treatment program, and the waiting lists for suboxone treatment for people without insurance (eg, myself) is something like two months long.

Sooo, tonight, rather than going out and getting some dope, I went and copped some Suboxone. I figure I can't suffer through another two months of heroin addiction, and if the system isn't going to help me, I'm going to help myself. (Yeah, I know, I shouldn't be doing that. It's illegal. Well, so is heroin. I know, I shouldn't be taking pills without a doctors supervision...well, it's better than shootin' that crap into my veins.)

So, here's my questions to everyone.

1) At what point in my withdrawl should I take my first dose of Suboxone? I have read that you're not supposed to take it until you're in mild to moderate withdrawls. What exactly are 'mild to moderate withdrawls'?

Is that the sweats? The cramps? When my legs start doing this crazy thing where they seem to pretty much control themselves? Can anyone, so you're not giving me medical advice, please tell me at what point YOU began taking your suboxone?

2) What dose of suboxone is normal to start out with? I'm not looking to get high. I could give a bleepity bleep about getting high right now. I just wanna get off heroin. What dose did you start out with? Someone who, say, maybe did a bundle a day until about three weeks ago, and who has regularly been doing 4-6 bags a day for the past three weeks? I have 2 8mg pills right now, just to get me started. I didn't want to buy a bunch of them until I got some advice, or um, heard about other peoples experiences with the pills.

3) How long should I take them? Maybe someone could tell me how long they had to take suboxone and at what dosage? I'm looking to have the shortest experience possible with these buggers, while still managing to curb some of the hella intense withdrawl symptoms. From what I've read, I'm still going to experience some type of withdrawl, it's just not as bad as immediately coming off of the dope devil.

4) Can anyone give me any insight as to what to expect from all of this? I'm really pretty much clueless and in the dark with it all, and frankly, at this point, I'm a bit desperate. I tried seeking some answers through the local NA, and I don't like the NA approach to things. They got their thing that works for them, and more power to 'em, but that program just is not for me. I respect and admire their sobriety, but I just can't dive head first into a program that I disagree with on so many levels. I want to get off dope. Bottom line. I don't smoke pot, I don't do coke, I don't do anything else. Hell, I don't drink for that matter. I just want to stop shoving a needle in my veins every day of my life. I did my last bit about an hour ago, and it wasn't much, so I should start feelin' crappy when I wake up in the morning. What time tomorrow do you think the suboxone might be effective?

I think I'm starting to repeat myself, so I'm going to stop now and hope that someone out there answers my post and decides to give me some help and guidance. I'm begging for it, and I'm willing and ready to take it (as long as it's not the 12 steps. Sorry.)

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KC

[miamary05]

Hello

I am glad to hear you are ready to kick this disease once and for all. I myself had a heroin addiction and I am just shy of 2 months clean. I am also on suboxones which I got prescribed by a doc. If you are like me and the drug took over your mind and body completely and you feel you can't do this on your own I would suggest you make a appt with a doctor to get put on suboxones so he can help you get cleanand stay clean.. he will also be able to tell you what is the right dose for you. So getting some info on outpatient services or even detox might be a good idea.

I can tell you from my own experiences of kicking that habit was that I took my suboxones right away. It will def. take all the withdrawal symptoms away and once you take your first dose you should start feeling better within 30 mins. I can't say on how much you should take but maybe start taking quarter pieces of the 8mg and see how you feel. But I def. encourage seeing a doctor to get the suboxones prescribed to you rather than you doing it on your on.. you might just end up switching one habit for another because you are controlling the dose and a doctor might have a better idea on whats best for you. Suboxones should be something that is not long term and to eventually taper off them.

I can't argue your opinion on na only say that taking suboxones is only one part of the recovery process.. but you did say you had friend that was in the na program and the best thing to do is be around clean and sober people and talk to them.. I'm sure it won't hurt and keeping feelings to yourself might cause you to relapse... I'm not preaching by any means just hoping my advice helps you. Hope everything works out ... please post again on your progress!!

[Nallabelle]

I will answer your Q's to the best of my ability. Not a doctor and I dont play one on TV.
1. Never did heroin but I am a vicodin addict. Used to be on Suboxone. Pain pills leave your system faster so the doctor told me to take it at least 6 hours after my last pill. I THINK with heroin you wait longer. I mean you dont have to be in full blown withdrawal, but you need to be jonesin
2. I really cant advise how much you should take, especially since I dont know how much 4-6 bags of H is. I can tell you though that I only ever took the lowest amount possible. I was at 100mg a day vicodin and took 8mg a day suboxone. I could have taken more. IF I WERE IN YOUR SITUATION I would probably start with the first pill and go from there. Suboxone has a long 1/2 life. If I were doing a suboxone detox (rather than long term suboxone therapy) I would take the 1st 8mg and then wait 12-24 hours before taking te 2nd 8mg. The point is to minimize the withdrawals, thats it. Unless you are planing on taking it long term.
3. Ive heard of people taking the subs for like 3-4 days. Suboxone gives withdrawals too though. It might make it a little easier though...but you are sorta just draging it out longer.
4. Suboxone can give you headaches. Also sweating (maybe the withdrawal symptoms just coming through, but i had the sweats the first few days).
Listen, you are NOT going to avoid withdrawal from a heroin habit. I cant even avoid withdrawal when I taper down off vicodins. Think of it like this: when you are detoxing, your body is GETTING BETTER. It is getting all that **** out of your body. You simply have to pay the piper for what you have done to yourself. I have been on this board a while. I can tell you that i have quit and relapsed 1000000 times. There is a lot of good advice on here. When you said you werent interested in NA, that tells me you are not ready to quit. You are going to relapse if you dont go to NA. You WILL RELAPSE WITHOUT HELP. Im sorry, I know you are determined, but people dont beat this without help. Besides, you would be SURPRISED how much going to a meeting helps when you are detoxing. Just try it once, please, just one time.
You are a HEROIN ADDICT. You take a drug and use a needle to put it in your body on a DAILY BASIS. You think you can do it without a program? You cant. This drug will beat you.
I quit over and over again. I refused to believe I needed help. Thus, I relapsed repeatedly. I even relapsed after long term suboxone therapy--because I wasnt doing anything to fix my addictive brain. While on Suboxone I didnt go to meetings or therapy. I thought the subs would fix everything. It didnt. All it did was buy me some time. That is the point of suboxone. Its supposed to give you the time you need to get help before being opiate free. And I had the exact same attitude about NA as you. "It seems really to help people, thats great, but its just not my thing". NA is keeping thousands of junkies before us clean. All the people I have talked to in real life and on this board have told me the exact same thing. "If it wasnt for NA, I would still be using, or dead". They wouldnt say that if it wasnt true and I finally started listening. It was just too hard to do on my own. I also started individual therapy which is a must. If you can afford heroin you can afford therapy.
There are OTC meds that can help you detox. If you dont know these, then take note and stock up on the following:
Immodium (SPECIFICALLY), benadryl (for sleep, anxiety), cranberry pills, Google The Thomas Recipe. Get everything it says to get and start now, epson salts (put in bath tub, helps ALOT, take lots of baths.
Soup, saltine crackers, candy and gator ade. Get them all. Take as many walks as you can. Force yourself. Also, post here as much as you can. Go to the substance abuse forum though, there are more people on it.
You want to change your life. Do it. We can help.

[Pistoletta]

You won't sell everything you own for therapy. ;-)

[Pistoletta]

I couldn't sleep last night. Finally dozed off around 6am...and I couldn't manage to stay asleep any longer than just now. I've got the chills and I'm a little uneasy at this point. I haven't taken the pills yet, though if this cramp in my stomach gets much worse, I'm going to. I've been trying to hold off as long as possible.


I appreciate your concern, but please do not try to explain to me the benefits of NA. And please don't tell me I can't do this without NA. It's not the only program out there. Just because YOU couldn't do it without NA and the people in NA couldn't do it without NA doesn't mean that the rest of the world can't do it, either. That's really discouraging and ridiculous. There are several programs in the world, and just because you found the one that happens to work for you doesn't mean it's going to work for me. I try to be extremely nice and respectful when I talk about NA, as I believe most to be good people, but if you're going to come at me with that BS, I'd rather not take your advice nor your help. Thank you.

[kj3880]

It's always interesting to see someone asking for help, then telling us what we are allowed or not allowed to say to help. Did you ever hear of the phrase "take what you need and leave the rest?" There are a ton of people on here that have beat opiate dependency with suboxone on here, but most of them, myself included, also had help from NA. By telling us that you don't even want to hear anything about NA, makes it hard to share with you. I'll be standing by to help if you ever decide you can stand to hear my story and what worked for me, but I'm not able to cut it up and give the sub pieces without the NA pieces, because that wouldn't be the whole truth. Best of luck.

Love,
KJ

[Pistoletta]

I'm sorry. I didn't mean to come off harsh. I just read what I posted and that didn't even sound like me. I'm a little short and irritable right now, so please accept my apology.

I've just had some bad experiences with NA, and it's just not something I'm open to at this point in my life.

I just got back from Prevention Point, where I spent a few hours talking with a counselor about some alternatives to NA to accompany everything & I think I've found a group that is more my speed to help me along the way to stay sober.

I'm not feeling as rotten as I had expected. I'm a little fatigued and get a touch of the chills, but other than that, the w/d symptoms are much easier than trying to go cold turkey so far.

I've taken 6mg of Subx. so far today, and I feel alright considering. Thanks to everyone for their advice so far. It's really helping.

[tbeit]

I want to wish you luck in your recovery.I am a NA guy but it isnt the only way.If you REALLY want this you can do it. It is simple not easy.You should look hard I'm sure there has to be a Dr. in Philly who can help you.Suboxone is a powerful DRUG it has a long half life and stays in your system alot longer than heroin.That is why doseing by a quallifyed Dr. is so important.Keep posting You can do this

[UpWithTheSun]

I've just joined, it's been a rough week and reading your post may have saved my sanity. Long story short, I crushed a couple discs in my back over last fall and after a couple months of going to Dr.s and having them tell me the wicked bad nonstop pain was all in my head (they hadn't bothered to do any tests at that point) I decided to take things into my own hands and started using heroin. Not to belittle anyone wanting to give me a reality check, but no, it's not denial- I knew full well what I was doing, honestly I was desperate. By the time I was able to harass my Dr. into doing an MRI and finding that I did have crushed discs pushing into my spinal cord, the muscle relaxers they offered didn't compete with the 5 bags a day I was doing. It's been 7 months now. I've had surgery and the pain is honestly tolerable, but I still have the addiction that I swore I'd quit when I didn't "need" it anymore... My family is in shambles, I've lied to them, stolen from them- 8 months ago I was a full-time single parent, full-time student, and a full-time waitress. I jogged daily, ate health, and sometimes I wonder if this is karma for the ego I was hauling around. Because I've been trying to kick for a while and it's been hell. I really started 10 days ago when I went cold turkey. I made it 2 days before I used, again I tried, 2 more days. The most I've gotten is 3 and the withdraw was so scary I was willing to do anything to make it stop... So here I am again- I packed away a little that I hope I never use, and I've told myself that I won't have to go through the mind bending withdraw this time because I've only used sporadically over the last 10 days. I'm sorry that I just made this all about me, that wasn't my intention. What I really mean, is hearing you say that you've been using for 7 months and are now at this moment going through the first days of what will be the rest of your life, as it will be mine has given me alot of hope. It's the lonliness thats been the worst. Thank you.

[UpWithTheSun]

It's 6:55 pm, I just did what I was trying to save in case I get real sick... my family thinks I've been clean for over a week now,I so I really don't have the option of hiding away or nursing the dope sickness. I want to get up in the morning and not NEED anything to get my mind and body right. I want to wake up right- right for me anyhow. I'm scared, It's like I don't know what to do with myself when I'm not high. I've gotten so used to waiting to do anything until I am that I feel like a foreigner in my own bod. Should I just go with that? Instead of trying to be who I was, mabey just leap and go for finding out who I am now? And instead of hating myself for what I've done, try instead to like myself for what I'm doing now? And I feel stupid for this, but I'm sad too. It's like breaking up with a boyfriend who you know there's no future with and the pairing was never a good fit - but all the same, it's gotten comfortable and it beats the unknown of being alone. Actually, it's that also, because I am breaking up with my boyfriend, he's a heroin addict also, but he's also real controlling and not the nicest guy, but we've stayed together more for the drugs even though he'd never admit it. What I do have is a family who needs me to be strong again, and a pup who sits right beside me while I kick and sweat and have those awful 1/2 dream-1/2 hallucinations in the middle of the night. I need to keep my mind set, so thank you for listening , shell

[Nallabelle]

Shell, keep posting, it helps. The substance abuse forum could really help because its a lot more active. Maybe try the OTC meds I post in my above post...? You can do this; remember the detoxing is just your body's way of getting all that **** out of it. Walk as much as you can and get a recovery plan in place- therapy, NA, whatever. You never have to go through this again.
Pistoletta- I understand being irritable in withdrawal. You have to understand though that I took a lot of my time writing you that post to help you. Ive quit a million times and have seen others here quit just as many. I know what works. Nonetheless, when I referred to NA, really I meant anything... any "program". Ive never met ANYONE with substantial clean time who didnt get THOROUGH help.

[UpWithTheSun]

yes, walking is a good idea- it used to clear my head... I'll check out the substance abuse forum, thank you for pointing me in the right direction 4 hours... only a life time to go honestly, I was a recovering alchoholic and addict, and I had 3 years sober when this happened and every day I've missed being sober. thanks again friend.. shell

[kj3880]

Pistoletta,
If you are willing to travel an hour or so, I've an excellent Sub doc in DC who saved my life. He charges a hundred a visit, even for the first one, and he is accepting patients now. He has over 30 years experience in addictionology and is very compassionate. He could get you in tomorrow, if you want, if I was to call him.
KJ

[Pistoletta]

Shell,

I have been doing the same thing lately. I'd decide to quit and then make it, oh...until 2pm the next day before I felt like smashing my head through a wall. Then I'd use. I told myself I was gonna kick at least five times before I have made it this far. This is the farthest I've made it. Almost 24 hours. It feels like a freakin' week. I thought it would be easier this time because I went from using a bundle a day to using six or so bags a day (at most) for the past few weeks, but it's just as bad as it was before. If I didn't have the suboxone, I'd be doin' dope right now. That's scary and sad, but true. I went to Prevention Point today to talk to some people about therapy & the place is located in between Front and 2nd on Lehigh. Now, if anyone knows anything about Philly, you know that is the WORST place for someone trying to stay clean to be. Two blocks in any direction and you practically have guys throwin' bundles at you. Hell, Steve Lopez wrote a book about the neighborhood called THIRD AND INDIANA, which was a really good book about this kid who gets caught up in the corner drug dealing and the repercussions it has on his teenage life. Anyway, I had to convince myself not to stroll over to some of my familiar spots to cop dope and pick something up "just to have around in case I get really sick". It doesn't work like that. At least, I'm pretty sure it doesn't. As pleasant as it sounds, I don't want to have to go through this all over again. The past day has been the second worst I've ever experienced in my life. Even with the suboxone, I still have the jumpy legs, which is making me f'ing nuts, and the sweats but not as bad. Amazingly, I was able to nap from about 7-9 tonight and I'm hoping I can sleep tonight. I've found a lot of salvation in this fuzzy ass blanket I found in the closet. I've found if I cling onto comfort objects, as childish as it sounds, it's really been helping. Maybe if you find something silly like that it will make you feel better. I can't manage to nap without it. I can't believe you made it three whole days and gave up! You almost had it beat. Everyone says the worst of it is over after 3-5 days. I hope that's the worst of it, anyway. I was told to expect several months of decreased energy and lack of motivation and I have to be careful not to become depressed. My legs are gettin' crazy again, so I think that must mean it's time to pop a pill. If you work full time, why don't you consider going to see a doctor? I'd give my right arm to be able to go to a real doctor right now instead of a street pharmacist.

[Pistoletta]

Originally Posted by kj3880

Pistoletta,
If you are willing to travel an hour or so, I've an excellent Sub doc in DC who saved my life. He charges a hundred a visit, even for the first one, and he is accepting patients now. He has over 30 years experience in addictionology and is very compassionate. He could get you in tomorrow, if you want, if I was to call him.
KJ

KJ, you might be a lifesaver. Let me talk to my other half when he gets home from work and see if he would be available to drive me tomorrow & if he is, I'm definitely going to take you up on that.

[Pistoletta]

Originally Posted by Nallabelle

Shell, keep posting, it helps. The substance abuse forum could really help because its a lot more active. Maybe try the OTC meds I post in my above post...? You can do this; remember the detoxing is just your body's way of getting all that **** out of it. Walk as much as you can and get a recovery plan in place- therapy, NA, whatever. You never have to go through this again.
Pistoletta- I understand being irritable in withdrawal. You have to understand though that I took a lot of my time writing you that post to help you. Ive quit a million times and have seen others here quit just as many. I know what works. Nonetheless, when I referred to NA, really I meant anything... any "program". Ive never met ANYONE with substantial clean time who didnt get THOROUGH help.

I think I found a good program today that I can work with and eventually I might even be able to help out some f'ed up kids.
This little smiley guy is me right now, so please accept my apology for snapping like that.


I'm up and down, one minute I feel like its not so bad, then right now I feel awful. Ugh.

[LoveLivesFree]

Hello =)

I'm about 15 months clean from black tar. I am on suboxone, and have been for all 15 months. I haven't started tapering down, nor do I plan on it anytime soon. I'm gonna attempt to answer your questions...

1. I went to the doctor to get mine, but I was chilled, shaking a little, sweating, and I didn't want to get up or do anything at all when I took my first pill. I felt better within minutes.

2. I started with 16 mg per day. I was doing a bit more than you were at the end of my H days, so, I think you did right by breaking it into quarters.

3. Like I said above, I've been on it for 15 months. It's really up to you as to how long you need it. I still get some withdraw, but a lot of it is from the suboxone itself.

4. It will probably be the hardest thing you have ever done, and at the same time, the most rewarding. You'll feel emotions and feelings you forgot you had and it will be scary. I went to one NA meeting and never went back. I now go to an individual counselor monthly, but it was once a week when I first started. It's a roller coaster ride, and I think you will get a lot of good advice/support here.

Good Luck and it's awesome that you didn't use today!!!

[puddinface]

My son started suboxone about 2 weeks ago...and is doing fabulous! He went to an excellent Sub doctor who told him only 8 mgs per day. He told him to take 1/2 then 1/4, 1/4. As of yet, he only has taken a 1/2 a pill per day and it works wonderful for him. He doesnt need any more than that. He was using less than a year also.

[Pistoletta]

Well, I made it through the night.

I didn't sleep more than an hour at a time and I had some of the worst chills and sweats ever, even with the suboxone.

I woke up around 6am and couldn't get back to sleep for the life of me, so I took a piece of the pill. By the time I woke up today, I had taken 16mg yesterday, and I was still huggin' the porcelain this morning. Ugh. I want to give some serious kudos to those of you who have kicked this stuff before, especially those of you who went at it cold turkey. You're strong and amazing people and I really admire you.

KJ, I talked to the BF & there's no way he's going to be able to drive me to DC in coming days with his work schedule, and even if we did go & pay the $100, I just found out that a prescription of sub's cost in excess of $500 if you don't have insurance, so I'm going to start applying for stuff through welfare or something here. The guy I get my suboxone from went through a local hospital and some program of theirs actually pays for the cost of his doctor visit and his script. If I could get even half of it covered, I'd be doing alright, ya know? I can't figure out how on earth I managed the money to support my habit and pay my bills these past seven months. I'm beyond broke with no end to it in sight. I never did any of the stuff you see on after school specials. I always paid my bills and took care of my animals and had money to blow on whatever, and it just...ended. It's like WTF...how did I manage this long? Once I get back to work when I'm better, I can't imagine what it's gonna be like to have all that money in my pocket. It's gonna be nuts!

And I can't smoke. What gives with that? I've been able to smoke two cigs since I started w/d and my sense of smell is super sensitive, too. I took notice of my deodorant yesterday. Is that something anyone else experienced?

Also, my wrist is killing me. I don't know what it is, but once every few weeks, it's like something catches in my right wrist and it just hurts. I can't bend it backwards and I can't put any weight on it. It usually clears up within a day or two, and I'll usually take some percs or something (or the dope did the job, too) and it's all better before I know it. I can't take percocet 'cause I'm on this suboxone & I don't want to enter any opiates into my system, and I wonder if it would do any good to go to a hospital 'cause I dunno if they can do anything for me either. Hot baths don't even help.



Thanks so much for giving me a forum or outlet to vent and complain. It helps, actually, to be able to bitch and whine. I've never been the whiny type, either.

[Pistoletta]

Originally Posted by UpWithTheSun

yes, walking is a good idea- it used to clear my head... I'll check out the substance abuse forum, thank you for pointing me in the right direction 4 hours... only a life time to go honestly, I was a recovering alchoholic and addict, and I had 3 years sober when this happened and every day I've missed being sober. thanks again friend.. shell

I wish I could go for a walk to get out of the house. My neighborhood isn't the best to be walking around if you're trying to stay clean, though.

Less than 5 blocks away, the sidewalks become littered with needles and empty dope baggies & you have people tryin' to sell ya stuff all day long.

[puddinface]

Here in NY you can go to the local pharmacy for the subs and they cost about $225.00 for a month's supply. My son didnt have any insurance either. His doctor cost $200 for the initial visit and then thereafter it will be $125 each month he has an appointment. $500 seems like an awful lot.

[Pistoletta]

That's what I thought, too...but it's $602 for 90 and a little over $500 for 60, if i properly recall.

I'm feeling surprisingly okay today.

It's day 3.

I had 1/2 of an 8mg pill this morning and managed to get some solid food on my stomach. I couldn't sleep much at all, so I broke down and went to the ER last night to see if they could help me with that. The doctor was great. I was completely honest with her about EVERYTHING and she gave me a lot of helpful advice and fifteen helpful little xanax. I slept a good nights sleep for the first time in a week last night!

Aside from the chills and night sweats, I'm feeling surprisingly okay right now. I have noooo energy and don't feel like getting off the couch, but I don't feel like screaming, either...unless I think about it. I'm a little irritable, but not horrible.

I'm wondering if the worst is yet to come. I've been reading a lot about suboxone withdrawal and it sounds scary.

I cut down to 4mg today. Since I just started the sub's, I think I'm gonna try to get off of them entirely within a week.

So, how is everyone else??

Up With The Sun? You hangin' in there?

Oh!!! And something really peeved me off. I hate the gdmuthaeffinsobin healthcare industry. I could buy xanax cheaper on the streets than what they charged me for 15 of the .25 white ones! $11.29 for 15!!!!

[kj3880]

It's $150 for 30, which is all you need for a month, in our area pharmacists, Pistol.

KJ

[Pistoletta]

Well, I'm in my 4th day now.

Cut myself down to 4mg on the Sub's. I actually feel okay, aside from the sweats and chills and bit of lethargy. I'm hoping not to be on the sub's long term at all.

It's weird. I'm sleeping, eating, all that stuff. Still not entirely comfortable, but I'm doing a lot better than I thought I would be.

I had a wrench thrown in my plans today, also. I found out I'm 10 weeks pregnant. I haven't had a period in months because of the heroin. When I went to get a pregnancy test after my first missed period, it came up negative. I went to the doctor and they did a pregnancy test, also negative, and told me that the heroin could affect my cycles. I didn't think anything of missing my period because of that. My boobs were a little sore, so just to be on the safe side, I took a test and it came up positive. Went for an ultrasound today and I'm 10 weeks along. They say everything looks fine, despite the drug use & w/d. Told me to taper myself off the sub's as soon as possible and to quit them now if I thought it were possible. Going to hit up some counseling this week to figure out what to do about all this.

Da to the mn.

[Nallabelle]

Hey, glad things are getting better. I think taking whatever you have left of the subs would be ok, slowly. Your withdrawals may be a little prolonged, but it should continue to minimize.
Congrats on your pregnancy. I am pregnant as well. 5 months. I am a vicodin addict and have just recently stopped. I am consumed with guilt and fear. If you quit now, and do not relapse, your baby may be fine. This is a human being we are talking about here and you have to keep telling yourself that. I have 2 and 4 year old daughters. When I was going through detox, someone said to me "would you take this pill and give it to your 4-year old?" I said "of course not" and she said "well thats what youre doing to your baby. You are force feeding him drugs". Really struck a nerve. Good luck, parenting is a lot of work.
I wonder if suboxone or maybe subutex is ok during pregnancy??