Question on AA and God
Letitgo, yes the steps could be worked "virtually"...I'd do it with a sponsee, but it would have to involve Skype or Facetime, or some such video-conferencing system.
The steps can be worked through in one day, or over a few years. I would strongly suggest not doing the latter, from personal experience. It depends on the sponsor and how willing is the sponsee.
AA meetings are just about everywhere, so unless you're travelling to remote, desolated areas, you should be able to find and attend meetings when travelling. I would suggest finding one meeting nearer home that you can attend on as regular a basis as possible.
I appreciate you have a need to spend time with your family, but if you don't have recovery/sobriety, what's the point?
The steps can be worked through in one day, or over a few years. I would strongly suggest not doing the latter, from personal experience. It depends on the sponsor and how willing is the sponsee.
AA meetings are just about everywhere, so unless you're travelling to remote, desolated areas, you should be able to find and attend meetings when travelling. I would suggest finding one meeting nearer home that you can attend on as regular a basis as possible.
I appreciate you have a need to spend time with your family, but if you don't have recovery/sobriety, what's the point?
Great points PurpleDan. I have attended meetings in numerous states. Maybe 6-10 counting last year. I should have reached out for a sponsor. But I beleive i can stay sober without being a full blown member for now. I will likely attend some meetings on my trip and try to find a local sponsor when i get back to start working with.
I had the pleasure to attend another AA meeting. I felt like a kid in those scared straight shows. People talking about dui's and prison time. This big scary looking dude all tatted up said you better get to know god because you cant do this alone.
At first i think i have done this alone. But then i remember he isnt talking about god in a Christian fire and brimestone sense. So i orginally misinterpreted the higher power or god. Ultimately i think he is right. I am sick in the head being an alkie. I need a spritual guide and fellowship to keep me sober. I can not become complacent. I was close minded at first but i think he meant well now that i understand his purpose and point.
At first i think i have done this alone. But then i remember he isnt talking about god in a Christian fire and brimestone sense. So i orginally misinterpreted the higher power or god. Ultimately i think he is right. I am sick in the head being an alkie. I need a spritual guide and fellowship to keep me sober. I can not become complacent. I was close minded at first but i think he meant well now that i understand his purpose and point.
You're doing bloody great Letitgo.
It takes a while to get used to all that 'God Speak' and realise how differently it's alluded to compared with some of what has been dictated to us in the past. I know some people who came in with a massive issue with religion (often having been through a dictatorial and judgemental religion based schooling) and I knew that if they could do this thing, then so could I. And I'm so pleased I did.
Yesterday I was very happy to mentally and spiritually join the Harvest celebrations. In this program we do the work and reap the rewards (spiritually). I'm definitely feeling the benefit of my toil in that regard, Working the steps has led to so much gratitude from my small corner.
It takes a while to get used to all that 'God Speak' and realise how differently it's alluded to compared with some of what has been dictated to us in the past. I know some people who came in with a massive issue with religion (often having been through a dictatorial and judgemental religion based schooling) and I knew that if they could do this thing, then so could I. And I'm so pleased I did.
Yesterday I was very happy to mentally and spiritually join the Harvest celebrations. In this program we do the work and reap the rewards (spiritually). I'm definitely feeling the benefit of my toil in that regard, Working the steps has led to so much gratitude from my small corner.
Thanks all so much.. a very hard day to day.. this has helped a bit.. May be not so much there is a God.. just that in hold each other tight the time of passage from here to the next plane is easier.. or the day of birth .. the joy is spread to so many.. I don't know.. just seems that if there was a God watching out for us.. he would try and have the balance in our lives happen just a little more when we are trying to hard to balance all of the World from crashing down on us.... prayers to all ardy...
Great stuff. I also ponder how there is 7 billion people on earth and thousands of religions. What make christanity right vs. other religions? How could there be space in heavenfor some many thag have come and gine already? I guess it takes blind faith. I have an extremely hard time not questioning or trying to rationalize these things.
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AA- Attended an AA meeting and the speaker said he knew someone thats was struggling with sobriety for 30 years later. The person's hardest year was number 28 due to the loss of family members. My question is does AA over complicate sobriety? If you keep going to meetings for several years and your constantly thinking about Alcholol. I guess maybe it is as straightforward as recovery is not 1 size fits all. I have been reading the Allan Carr book and his brainwashing approach if used correctly I think would help to keep me sober along with many other tools.
2nd question since god is almighty and knowing. How is it possible we have free will if God already knows everything that will happen? If i believed this then the choice i make was already made. Sorry to be like the matrix but i do ponder these. I am open minded and not trying to start a debate. Just open to others thoughts. Thank you in advance.
2nd question since god is almighty and knowing. How is it possible we have free will if God already knows everything that will happen? If i believed this then the choice i make was already made. Sorry to be like the matrix but i do ponder these. I am open minded and not trying to start a debate. Just open to others thoughts. Thank you in advance.
For me, its just easier to let my HP reveal itself to me and it does all the time. I just moved and great things and people are being put into my life. Furthermore, I was in a relationship that ended up with the girl relapsing. This was very difficult for both me and her for several reasons, one of the major ones being that we were still in love and she had to cut contact off for awhile.
This plagued me for months, well last Saturday I ran into her and we really smoothed things out. It was a huge meeting (200 or so) and she sat two rows behind me. I now realize that I wasn't ready to see her again until that very day. Why? Because since I moved I have been hitting meetings daily and really applying the steps. Because of this, my HP is really working for me.
The 12 steps are as complicated as you make them. I am an intellectual, my job also requires me to have a very strong academic knowledge of addiction but when it comes to my own sobriety I know nothing and need to ask for help all the time.
Took me forever to realize that, but I am grateful I now do.
Basically, I am connected to my HP. I am not a Christian nor do I really believe in the Christian concept of God. I find my spirituality via the program and I wouldn't have it any other way.
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