Was it God or Belladonna?
Laozi Old Man
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Originally Posted by Joe Nerv 
I smoked some weed one time that I'm fairly certain was laced or treated with something else. Was part of my evening ritual before going to bed, but not on this night. I started shaking and trembling, and couldn't stop.
Just goes to show you, Belladonna is not the only substance than can trigger this sort of thing.
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Originally Posted by Boleo
I had a surprisingly similar experience, including the God part. I am still reluctant to talk about it. Thanks for letting me know that I am not alone.
Just goes to show you, Belladonna is not the only substance than can trigger this sort of thing.
Just goes to show you, Belladonna is not the only substance than can trigger this sort of thing.
Of course, I didn`t trust myself to stay sober so I felt it best not to mention AA.
This too was a good idea because I never put pressure on myself. I didn't want to talk about my not drinking. (Outside of AA that is...)
It`s always been one day at a time for me. That`s one aspect of the program I instinctively got.
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For many years during his childhood, Bill Wilson repeatedly heard that his paternal grandfather William C. (“Willie”) Wilson had been cured of alcoholism in a conversion experience atop Mt. Aeolus in Bill’s home town village of East Dorset, Vermont.
Throughout his youth, Bill was exposed to the account of his grandfather’s conversion and cure of alcoholism. And his exposure to the Bible, to religious training, and to spiritual growth was far more substantial than has previously been known.
For example, Bill and his paternal and maternal families attended the East Dorset Congregational Church. There they listened to sermons, and recited the confession and creed. There were tent meetings and revivals, and Bill witnessed conversions. Moreover, Bill and his maternal grandfather, Fayette Griffith, read the Bible individually and together. Grandfather Fayette enrolled Bill in the East Dorset Congregational Church Sunday school. We are still investigating what transpired of a religious nature, if anything, during Bill’s residence in Rutland, Vermont. However, during his matriculation at Burr and Burton Academy in Manchester, Vermont, Bill regularly attended the daily chapel, and heard Scripture reading. He attended the required weekly church service at the Manchester Congregational Church. He took a required, four-year Bible study course at the Academy.
My guess is that the belladona made him susceptible to believing he had a spiritual experience which cured him of his hopeless state of mind and body just like his grandfather claimed, and just like the tent revival meetings he went to as a child.
Throughout his youth, Bill was exposed to the account of his grandfather’s conversion and cure of alcoholism. And his exposure to the Bible, to religious training, and to spiritual growth was far more substantial than has previously been known.
For example, Bill and his paternal and maternal families attended the East Dorset Congregational Church. There they listened to sermons, and recited the confession and creed. There were tent meetings and revivals, and Bill witnessed conversions. Moreover, Bill and his maternal grandfather, Fayette Griffith, read the Bible individually and together. Grandfather Fayette enrolled Bill in the East Dorset Congregational Church Sunday school. We are still investigating what transpired of a religious nature, if anything, during Bill’s residence in Rutland, Vermont. However, during his matriculation at Burr and Burton Academy in Manchester, Vermont, Bill regularly attended the daily chapel, and heard Scripture reading. He attended the required weekly church service at the Manchester Congregational Church. He took a required, four-year Bible study course at the Academy.
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My guess is that the belladona made him susceptible to believing he had a spiritual experience which cured him of his hopeless state of mind and body just like his grandfather claimed, and just like the tent revival meetings he went to as a child.
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I distinguish "psychic" from "spiritual" actually. Psychic experiences have been happening to me since childhood and they continued through my drinking years. Many people refer to them as "spiritual" and I do too for ease of conversation (as earlier in this thread) but I make a distinction internally between them. And, really, those experiences are what indicated to me that I'm more than body and mind. However, for me, my own "spiritual experiences" (two of them) were transforming and that's what sets them apart. One transformed both my body and my mind. As a result of it, while I had to exert will power not to drink before, today I would have to exert will power to drink. That's not to say the other "spiritual experience" previous to it wasn't equally transforming; it just didn't involve alcohol. Both, however, did involve God as I came to understand Him through them and left me knowing rather than believing.
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Bill be trippin. What ever he experienced it might have stopped him from drinking but certainly did not cure him of his defects of character. Certainly all of his shortcomings were not removed. Did make him a good career though and made for great dogma. Kind of like any cult of personality throughout times.
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Originally Posted by silentrun
After reading what fresh start shared I suspect he might have been spiritually abused.
Just some food for thought --
What Are The Works of Demons
Several activities are identified in the Bible in which demons may be involved. Sometimes they are responsible for physical disease or mental suffering. While not all mental disorders are demonic in origin, some apparently are. Demons are also credited with tempting people to engage in immoral practices. They are the originators and propagators of the false doctrines taught by heretical religious groups. The Bible also teaches that some people were possessed by demons. Demons are committed to evil, yet God will use them to accomplish his plan during the end of the world.
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Did make him a good career though and made for great dogma. Kind of like any cult of personality throughout times.
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Originally Posted by freshstart57
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My guess is that the belladona made him susceptible to believing he had a spiritual experience which cured him of his hopeless state of mind and body just like his grandfather claimed, and just like the tent revival meetings he went to as a child.
My guess is that the belladona made him susceptible to believing he had a spiritual experience which cured him of his hopeless state of mind and body just like his grandfather claimed, and just like the tent revival meetings he went to as a child.
Bill's spiritual experience removed his desire to drink. There was no fighting with an egodystonic voice in his head. The desire was gone. He needed to spread the word of the solution he had found. Seems to me he did a fairly good job of that, and coincidently it seems to have worked for a few other people as well.
Of course they might have all been trippin on belladonna too, but something tells me that they weren't. I wonder how that happened? I'm sure there are lots of good rational explanations for this from those who did not experience it themselves, and that these explanations are far better than the ones from the people who actually experienced it.
Laozi Old Man
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Bill's spiritual experience removed his desire to drink. There was no fighting with an egodystonic voice in his head. The desire was gone. He needed to spread the word of the solution he had found. Seems to me he did a fairly good job of that, and coincidently it seems to have worked for a few other people as well.
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Ok...4 pages is pretty good.
I think it's time...this dead horse is well and truly beaten.
Let all go and help someone who needs our help 
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I think it's time...this dead horse is well and truly beaten.
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