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| Administrator | Handling Irrational Beliefs
by James J. Messina, Ph.D. & Constance M. Messina, Ph.D What are irrational beliefs? Irrational beliefs are:
Irrational beliefs (negative) about self:
Irrational beliefs can be present if we:
By refuting our irrational beliefs we are able to:
Step 1: Is your thinking and problem solving ability being blocked by an irrational belief? Consider a specific problem as you answer the following questions:
1-no 2-yes 3-yes 4-no 5-yes 6-yes 7-yes 8-no 9-no 10-no If you are unable to give healthy answers to one or more question in Step 2, then your blocking belief is most likely irrational. Step 4: Once you have determined that the blocking belief is irrational, you are ready to refute this irrational belief. Respond to the following questions in your journal:
My substitute rational healthy belief is: Step 5: If you still have trouble solving problems, return to Step 1 and begin again. |
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Wonderful. Thanks very much for this.
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Another irrational belief is the belief in a higher power that listens to our innermost thoughts and takes some kind of interest in our lives and intercedes in favor of or against actions we take.
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I feel that way too Jack, but we're certainly in the minority.
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Thanks for bumping this one up! Quote:
Does it then become non secular? Is it a problem of semantics?. Maybe I will change my use of HP to HS.. meaning higher self. I guess I just need to name the internal source that I have learned/accessed. AA doesn't have a corner on the market of the use of "higher power" or does it? How about HIP? Meaning Higher Internal Power? Does have a nice ring to it doesn't it?
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| It's What's Inside That Makes The Difference
After reading this thread I see myself not too long ago. As Jung described Alcoholism/Addiction: "..a spiritual quest for wholeness" I saw myself as one seeking that "wholeness" by any means possible from the outside world. The idea of a higher power (i.e. "God") was repugnant to me. Maybe I've studied too much science, Oh Well.... Anyway, as time went on thinking my answers would come from something I could put in myself, it became clear that would not work. After finally just "Letting Go" (to what ? I don't know, didn't need to at the time) I understood it was me trying to hold on to whatever thinking "I" could handle it which brought about my torment, so by giving "it" to what/whoever is out there, that life changed for the better. Remember, everything we have been searching for from the outside has been on the inside all along, we just couldn't find it. It is with that "unsuspected internal resource" that I have my relationship. From it comes a quality of living which effects all areas of my life. For that I am grateful. For some, to name it is to diminish it, so whatever you find that works..................... |
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For me, the strength of will I find to do all great things in life comes from "within" (cheesy, right?). Not the "me" that is destructive, but that better person I know resides there, waiting to be drawn out. I feel very accomplished (good marriage, good career, etc) for my 25 years, and I give credit to myself for getting there. Why would I not give myself credit as I overcome addiction? For me, placing the "reins" outside of my inner self (giving it over) is contrary to how I've progressed in life. Deities have no place in my spirituality, and one of those will never take credit for my accomplishments OR my failures. This is why the whole "it's not my fault, I have a disease and have no control" thing doesn't ring true for me. I get my strength from knowing my behavior and its consequences lie squarely in my lap. However, I can get on board with the notion that many people find "god" within themselves, their family, their friends, etc. Nomenclature makes little difference as long as it WORKS for that individual.
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| very bottom line: stay sober
I agree, whatever works for any particular person(i.e. staying sober) is the bottom line. I know people, and myself, who require more than the bottom line. For me, spiritual growth (by that I mean having a quality relationship with the most important thing in my life) is essential, without it I may be sober but waiting for the next relapse. I must grow or die. Why be dry and miserable? So to have that real intimacy necessary for that spiritual growth, I had to let go of that old self and construct a new one. My old self would revel in each accomplishment (good or bad) as proof of my omnipotence. Loss after loss after loss, yet I would not see how I was Mr. Hyde. Finally, after admitting to my innermost self I could not manage life as I had been living it, I let go, surrendered, whatever you wish to call it and my entire life changed in ways I could not have dreamed of, all positive (sometimes I make a lot of "lemonade" though). Anyway, just want to say, in my case (I can only reflect from my experience) I had to let go to something beyond myself to find myself. Things have happened in my life which defy coincidence (hence noco..) all wonderful. That is what it takes for me, that's the type of ego which can return if I do not "place principles before personalities". To tell someone the way they stay sober is wrong would indicate I have not come very far at all in my recovery..... So, whatever it takes is whatever it takes...words can only get in the way sometimes! |
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Ultimately that is, I am responsible for my actions. But what is the "I" or "me" that authors my actions. As a simplistic view, I think the "me" part is a collection of experiences and memories gleaned from living. Then there are the genetic behaviors that are inherent and well developed before there was a "me" or "I". They too govern my behavior. Neurological changes from substance abuse/addiction alter behavior. Also there is the hidden "me" or so I have been taught, that can influence my behavior through unconscious means. I think denial can be understood as an example of such. A behavior like denial, as I have experienced it, was uncovered through working with helping others. I believe it is very likely I may have suffered much longer in my active addiction have I not sought help with my malady. So I no longer believe that "I" alone could escape addiction behaviors (as I believe involves complex neurological and emotive conditioning among other things) without help from caring others or some other transformation power. As for naming other transformational powers, the Buddhist way is one I use and the mystery of life (or life force) is another.Then the bottom line for me is: do something and attribute the change to whatever that works for you.
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