Addictive Voice Recognition Technique (AVRT) Discussion — Part 5
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Originally Posted by GerandTwine 
Freshstart and others,
Can you find the Addictive Voice lurking within the above post?
Can you find the Addictive Voice lurking within the above post?
Did I win?
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Welllllll, I think it goes like this:
Any thought of drinking again, now or in the future, or doubt in one's ability to remain sober forever, is AV.
So, based on that definition, the AV is the idea that remaining sober is dependent upon the focus on sobriety's advantanges. Instead, if one starts thinking about the pleasures of drinking, then one will drink again. That would be the AV right there, Vern.
A real Big Plan has an unconditional commitment to sobriety. The idea that this state of sobriety is conditional on anything else, is AV.
Any thought of drinking again, now or in the future, or doubt in one's ability to remain sober forever, is AV.
So, based on that definition, the AV is the idea that remaining sober is dependent upon the focus on sobriety's advantanges. Instead, if one starts thinking about the pleasures of drinking, then one will drink again. That would be the AV right there, Vern.
A real Big Plan has an unconditional commitment to sobriety. The idea that this state of sobriety is conditional on anything else, is AV.
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Ok but there are some pleasures to be had in drinking! I'm sorry but there are. People wouldn't of been doing it since BC if it didn't create pleasure. So the logic is that if I acknowledge that drinking can bring me pleasure I will drink again?
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Yeah, I'm new at this, too. But I'll give it a shot!
First: future tense. "I have to change" implies something to be done in the future rather than something that has already been set in stone.
Second: "I don't have to", "I have to", and "I get to" all imply that the power lies elsewhere and not with the speaker.
Third: "I'm" not giving up anything. The beast is, but it will project its loss into your feelings leading you to feel as if you ARE giving something up.
Maybe? It's easier to recognize my own.
First: future tense. "I have to change" implies something to be done in the future rather than something that has already been set in stone.
Second: "I don't have to", "I have to", and "I get to" all imply that the power lies elsewhere and not with the speaker.
Third: "I'm" not giving up anything. The beast is, but it will project its loss into your feelings leading you to feel as if you ARE giving something up.
Maybe? It's easier to recognize my own.
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Originally Posted by zenchaser
Ok but there are some pleasures to be had in drinking! I'm sorry but there are. People wouldn't of been doing it since BC if it didn't create pleasure. So the logic is that if I acknowledge that drinking can bring me pleasure I will drink again?
By the way, my favorite book on quitting started off with a statement that drinking can be awesome, but, at some point, not drinking may be more awesome. I have no desire to repaint the past for something it wasn't.
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Hahaha! If I thought my words would later be dissected I would of put more thought into them!
I think my sobriety is based on my decision not to drink. Life will certainly bring lots of ups and downs. I get that. I just can't be so black and white about what is good and bad. I had good times partying. I liked it. Too much. I wanted to do it all the time. That's where the trouble that brought me to this site started. It was both good and bad. But I can't deny that I found pleasure in it. It would be a lie. But it doesn't mean that I can't put a cork in it.
Are you talking about detaching myself from all of these truths?
I think my sobriety is based on my decision not to drink. Life will certainly bring lots of ups and downs. I get that. I just can't be so black and white about what is good and bad. I had good times partying. I liked it. Too much. I wanted to do it all the time. That's where the trouble that brought me to this site started. It was both good and bad. But I can't deny that I found pleasure in it. It would be a lie. But it doesn't mean that I can't put a cork in it.
Are you talking about detaching myself from all of these truths?
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AVRT is for complete abstinence. It's not about whether alcohol/drugs are inherently good and bad. One of the points in RR is that we got here because we LIKED it so much. Unfortunately, for whatever reason I enjoyed it so much and for so long that there is a part of my brain that tells me I can't live without it. Voila! Addiction! I have nothing against alcohol, per se. It's not the enemy, my AV is.
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Originally Posted by zenchaser
Hahaha! If I thought my words would later be dissected I would of put more thought into them!
I think my sobriety is based on my decision not to drink. Life will certainly bring lots of ups and downs. I get that. I just can't be so black and white about what is good and bad. I had good times partying. I liked it. Too much. I wanted to do it all the time. That's where the trouble that brought me to this site started. It was both good and bad. But I can't deny that I found pleasure in it. It would be a lie. But it doesn't mean that I can't put a cork in it.
Are you talking about detaching myself from all of these truths?
I think my sobriety is based on my decision not to drink. Life will certainly bring lots of ups and downs. I get that. I just can't be so black and white about what is good and bad. I had good times partying. I liked it. Too much. I wanted to do it all the time. That's where the trouble that brought me to this site started. It was both good and bad. But I can't deny that I found pleasure in it. It would be a lie. But it doesn't mean that I can't put a cork in it.
Are you talking about detaching myself from all of these truths?
Once the Big Plan is made, though, it is completely invulnerable to anything that went on in the past, including your present memories of the past.
Acknowledging that drinking alcohol did give deeeeeep deeeeep pleasure is an important truth in Addictive Voice Recognition Technique.
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I will never drink again and I will never change my mind.
My decision to never drink again is completely independent of my mood (thank god), my financial situation, my circumstances, my love life, my health, my frame of mind, my motivation, my ANYTHING.
I don't have to conjure up the 'right' mood or circumstance for it to be true and work.
It's simply awesome!
My decision to never drink again is completely independent of my mood (thank god), my financial situation, my circumstances, my love life, my health, my frame of mind, my motivation, my ANYTHING.
I don't have to conjure up the 'right' mood or circumstance for it to be true and work.
It's simply awesome!
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Amazing thread. Only managed to read part 5 & felt it was time to say hi
My AV was getting stronger as last week progressed and without thinking about it I came to SR.
I made my BP about 15 months ago & can only say I wish I'd made it sooner.
Anyway I'm loving my freedom from the addiction of alcohol and realised that my beast has been having fun with my other addictions.
I've got a list of things I no longer do and never will again.
I have a list of current addictions & am planning to tackle them all with AVRT
I read Jason Vale's book & the whole thing made a difference to me, I've just found the secular forums and find a lot of regular posters really resonate with my thinking.
I've had another look at the AVRT website & found loads of fabulous stuff there.
My next BP will be made 2nd Feb; no more nicotine for me!
Funny how the beast reacts to my plans.
Now it's stopped screaming I can see how scared it is.
I conquered it with regard to the poison alcohol & that was easy.
I don't drink alcohol. I will never drink alcohol, ever.
Thanks for being here
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Driving my wagon of hope through beautiful views on my road to myself
My AV was getting stronger as last week progressed and without thinking about it I came to SR.
I made my BP about 15 months ago & can only say I wish I'd made it sooner.
Anyway I'm loving my freedom from the addiction of alcohol and realised that my beast has been having fun with my other addictions.
I've got a list of things I no longer do and never will again.
I have a list of current addictions & am planning to tackle them all with AVRT
I read Jason Vale's book & the whole thing made a difference to me, I've just found the secular forums and find a lot of regular posters really resonate with my thinking.
I've had another look at the AVRT website & found loads of fabulous stuff there.
My next BP will be made 2nd Feb; no more nicotine for me!
Funny how the beast reacts to my plans.
Now it's stopped screaming I can see how scared it is.
I conquered it with regard to the poison alcohol & that was easy.
I don't drink alcohol. I will never drink alcohol, ever.
Thanks for being here
.
Driving my wagon of hope through beautiful views on my road to myself
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Hi CZ! 
I used the AVRT concept to quit smoking about a year ago before I even knew what AVRT was! I haven't had a cigarette since, and I will never smoke again. I love being free of both nicotine and alcohol and my only regret I that I didn't do it sooner!
Can I ask why you're waiting until February 2?
I used the AVRT concept to quit smoking about a year ago before I even knew what AVRT was! I haven't had a cigarette since, and I will never smoke again. I love being free of both nicotine and alcohol and my only regret I that I didn't do it sooner!
Can I ask why you're waiting until February 2?
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My guess is less thinking and more application. For a lot of us it was an almost audible click post reading. Like an ostrich pulling it's head out of the hole. Others may take some practice. The Buddha had to go back and dig a little also to find some hidden fetters. May you find yours sooner than later.
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Coz my hubby's quitting too and we have an apt with the practice nurse to put us in touch with the ways they help people to quit.
I mentioned wanting to quit smoking when last there about hubby's snoring; he's got to make an appointment with the sleep clinic but he needs to quit to see if that helps!
He had some very tough issues to deal with over the past 6 years and quit drinking back then but I think he's happier to cut down rather than to quit altogether.
Although I've used the big plan with regard to alcohol and am now having a fine life without the 'recovery process' I fear my av with regard to nicotine and would like to live in a total smoke free zone & to not have a husband who smells bad!
I know it's all AV and it's all smoke and mirrors.
I almost feel as though I'm psyching myself up for the withdrawal process, I've been through it twice before and although the serious cravings have passed within a week. The habitual rolling and smoking & the temporary relief are what I'm trying to figure out in advance so I can be prepared.
Grab the beast and stuff it back where it belongs.
I have a family member who is an alcoholic and I have, tonight, spoken to other family members about AVRT and directed those people to the website.
I feel a need to buy the book (which I have never owned, or indeed seen, a copy of!) and get copies for them too.
I think it may be sensible to get the issue aimed at quitting nicotine for myself.
Does anyone have experience of this version or any Opinions on which one(s) may have the best information?
I am now on part 1 of this thread and already learning an awful lot which is helping me....
Keep on it guys, great stuff!
Driving my wagon of hope through beautiful views on my road to myself
I mentioned wanting to quit smoking when last there about hubby's snoring; he's got to make an appointment with the sleep clinic but he needs to quit to see if that helps!
He had some very tough issues to deal with over the past 6 years and quit drinking back then but I think he's happier to cut down rather than to quit altogether.
Although I've used the big plan with regard to alcohol and am now having a fine life without the 'recovery process' I fear my av with regard to nicotine and would like to live in a total smoke free zone & to not have a husband who smells bad!
I know it's all AV and it's all smoke and mirrors.
I almost feel as though I'm psyching myself up for the withdrawal process, I've been through it twice before and although the serious cravings have passed within a week. The habitual rolling and smoking & the temporary relief are what I'm trying to figure out in advance so I can be prepared.
Grab the beast and stuff it back where it belongs.
I have a family member who is an alcoholic and I have, tonight, spoken to other family members about AVRT and directed those people to the website.
I feel a need to buy the book (which I have never owned, or indeed seen, a copy of!) and get copies for them too.
I think it may be sensible to get the issue aimed at quitting nicotine for myself.
Does anyone have experience of this version or any Opinions on which one(s) may have the best information?
I am now on part 1 of this thread and already learning an awful lot which is helping me....
Keep on it guys, great stuff!
Driving my wagon of hope through beautiful views on my road to myself
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Hi CZ!
I totally get setting a date.
Just remember that your AV is not something to be feared. When you fear it you give it power. And you know that it's the same AV for the booze and the nicotine, so, if you can control it on the booze issue you can control it for any other addiction.
And I think it's great to be prepared, especially since you already know what to expect.
I totally get setting a date.
Just remember that your AV is not something to be feared. When you fear it you give it power. And you know that it's the same AV for the booze and the nicotine, so, if you can control it on the booze issue you can control it for any other addiction.
And I think it's great to be prepared, especially since you already know what to expect.
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