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02-13-2009, 03:09 PM
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| Knucklehead  Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Davenport, WA
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In ancient Greek mythology there was a roadside bandit named Procrustes who had a bed in which he forced all travelers to lie. Those who were shorter than the bed, he stretched until their bones cracked; those who were longer, he cut off their feet. Most alcoholism and addiction programs are like Procrusted and his bed. Everyone has "The Program": one size fits all. In AA, everyone does the Twelve Steps. In Rational Recovery, everyone does AVRT. In SMART, everyone does REBT. And so on. Each vendor promises that its particular Program is the Answer. In fact, some people are helped by the Steps, some are not, and the same is true of the others. There is no such thing as one Program that works for everybody, and we doubt there will ever be. LSR is unique in the alcoholism and addiction movement in deliberately not offering a capital-P Program. We have no Program, no panacea, no one-size-fits-all, no cookie cutter, no miracle cure, no magic pill to sell. We reject the whole dichotomy between Program and alcoholic, in which The Program is the active, knowing, healthy protagonist and the alcoholic is the passive, dumb, sick raw material to be stamped and molded into the desired shape. We think that any approach that acts on the alcoholic over time as an outside compulsion, a Program, is doomed to fail with most people most of the time. No program, including the LSR self-empowerment approach, will work if the person doesn't have an inner desire to escape from addiction. LSR rests its entire chance of success on the encouragement and rational nurture of that desire. We hold that each alcoholic or addict needs to construct their own sobriety based on their own experiences and needs. We think each alcoholic not only needs to, but is able to constuct his or her own personal sobriety program, if afforded the support and the tools. The work of puting a program together must be and is done by the newly recovering persons themselves, just as each of us with long-term sobriety has done it for ourselves. We have confidence in the ability of alcoholics and addicts, no matter how serious our history, to pull ourselves together with peer support. We have seen it work. Conversely, we are quite certain that we cannot get and stay sober unless we construct a sobriety program for ourselves. That is why we say that we have no one (big-P) Program; we have as many programs (small p) as we have participants.
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02-13-2009, 03:23 PM
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| Hell on Wheels  Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Flint MI
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I have tried working different programs only to find most did not fit me in one way or another all I know is the power within myself ( with the love faith and support of friends loved ones alike) gave me 613 days clean today Love and Hugs, Pamm
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02-13-2009, 03:25 PM
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| Hell on Wheels Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Flint MI
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I have tried working different programs only to find most did not fit me in one way or another all I know is the power within myself ( with the love faith and support of friends loved ones alike) gave me 613 days clean today Love and Hugs, Pamm
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02-14-2009, 01:06 AM
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| I'm just a little unwell  Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: USA
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Reading that makes me REALLY wish there was a LifeRing group in my area. *sigh*
__________________ Being aware of your crap and actually overcoming your crap are two very different things. ~ Sober since October 1, 2008  |
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02-14-2009, 01:15 AM
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| Member  Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: UK
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More words of wisdom lost to the database error! LOL
__________________  . As from a fire aflame thousands of sparks come forth, even so from the Creator an infinity of beings have life and to him return again. -- Maitri Upanishads |
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02-14-2009, 10:45 AM
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| Member  Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Htown, baby!
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Out of all the programs, I still like rationalrecovery the best... It makes me feel empowered that I'm a grown man and I dont have to give in to thoughts of using, or any self destructive behavior. Like, nothing bad will happen if I dont use, and the thought will pass. But if I do use...then bad stuff does happen. Nothing bad will happen if I'm occassionally sad or feeling worthless, anxious, or bored, or if I cant sleep 7-8 hours every night,. Its not easy, but that doesnt give me a right to down 12 beers. IMO Humans have endured these hardships for thousands of years. So what if I'm in pain? If Emily Dickinson wasnt in pain would she have been motivated to write her poetry?? After I eat a chocoate or a dorito... I want another and another. I dont think I'm addicted to doritos chips because I cant stop eating them. lol No, the responsible choice would be to stop after a handful because they're bad for me. Or to not eat any if I know I'll keep eating them.
__________________ "If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and yet depreciate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground. They want rain without thunder and lightening." Frederick Douglass |
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02-15-2009, 08:02 AM
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| Resident  Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Toronto, Ontario
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I am with coffeenut DK. You will have to write out what the acronyms stand for. I just found out BB stands for Blue Book but I still have no idea what buying a car has to do with recovery. 
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02-15-2009, 09:04 AM
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| Knucklehead Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Davenport, WA
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Cheesus Chrust.. since nobody's ever heard of Google...  AVRT - Addictive Voice Recognition Technique AVRT in a Nutshell REBT - Rational Emotive Behavior Therapy What is Rational Emotive Behavior Therapy (REBT)? - REBT Network: Albert Ellis | Rational Emotive Behavior Therapy Quote:
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02-15-2009, 07:35 PM
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| lunarlovelunar  | Well I am not working any program but I looked up REBT and I can say that the following statements are familiar to me at times...or alot  1. I must do well and win the approval of others for my performances or else I am no good. 2. Other people must treat me considerately, fairly and kindly, and in exactly the way I want them to treat me. If they don't, they are no good and they deserve to be condemned and punished. 3. I must get what I want, when I want it; and I must not get what I don't want. It's terrible if I don't get what I want, and I can't stand it.
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02-15-2009, 07:56 PM
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Oooh! Ooooh! I've got an acronym for that! FGI!
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04-30-2009, 03:34 PM
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| Knucklehead Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Davenport, WA
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I attended a couple of meetings when I was visiting CA, and I have their Keepers publication. I also have an old version of their Recovery By Choice workbook.
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09-29-2011, 08:38 PM
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__________________ My ❀ Name ☯ Is ❤ Will G ☞  禅 “The easiest thing to be in the world is you. The most difficult thing to be is what other people want you to be. Don't let them put you in that position.”― Leo Buscaglia |
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09-30-2011, 07:12 AM
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| Self recovered Self discovered  Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Toronto Canada
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| LifeRing Secular Recovery - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia http://lifering.org/ http://www.liferingcanada.org/Meetin...ingOntario.pdf Thanks, Zencat. I have a lot to read here, but I like what I see already. The story of Procrustes serves well as a hook-in. Well done, Doorknob.
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09-30-2011, 07:47 AM
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Though LifeRing is not my cup of tea, since it uses a lot of "sharing" and relies on meetings, the first chapter in LifeRing founder Martin Nicolaus' book, "Empowering your Sober Self" talks of addiction as conflict. The divided self, along with the "sober self" and "addicted self" analogy is eerily reminiscent of the I/IT split in AVRT, and although he did not mention AVRT, I know that the author must be aware of this. He seems to have done his homework on this idea, and his book was written 13 years after the RR book. From the Table of Contents: CHAPTER ONE: A PERSON ADDICTED IS A PERSON IN CONFLICT The Divided Self |
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09-30-2011, 08:04 AM
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Regarding my post above, I spoke too soon. I just went back and read the notes for Chapter One at the end of the book, and Nicolaus does indeed list Jack Trimpey's "Rational Recovery: The New Cure for Substance Addiction" as a reference for that chapter.
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