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Blake · 04-15-2007, 07:48 PM

Refutation of Pascal's wager...

http://atheistwager.blogspot.com/200...irst-post.html

marius404 · 04-15-2007, 09:13 PM

Amazingly, some theist still try to use Pascal's wager. After a little thought it is actually rather easy to refute. It's kind of funny actually. Anytime your talking with a theist who tries to envoke Pascal's wager (most of them don't know that it even has a name) you can tell how little they have thought about it.

historyteach · 04-16-2007, 12:56 AM

An interesting G*D wrestle. Only slightly less limited than the wager itself, but, to get to the point...

This has to do with recovery....how?

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Blake · 04-16-2007, 05:24 AM

Teach, the link that I posted in no way flames or mocks anyone's spiritual beliefs, it is simply a logical argument in response to pascal's wager.

What this has to do with recovery is that I have been approached at meetings before and given the line that I should believe in god b/c there is no harm if I do and am wrong but great harm if I don't and am wrong. Also this has to do with recovery as a way to show people on this message board that it is okay to be a member of NA and an athiest, as I am....maybe I should have written that in my original post...

historyteach · 04-16-2007, 05:35 AM

Hiya, Blake!

No, your link does not flame anything or anyone.

And I'm greatful that you made your connection to recovery now. It helps all of us to stay on recovery oriented issues. And your connection certainly *is* valid. I quit cigarettes using a behavioral approach, so I completely understand.

Thanks for your thoughts.

Shalom!

doorknob · 04-16-2007, 01:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by historyteach

An interesting G*D wrestle. Only slightly less limited than the wager itself, but, to get to the point...

This has to do with recovery....how?

Please see the Welcome message by MG above.

There are plenty of places on the web to bash people with spiritual/religious beliefs. Sobern Recovery is not one of them. This is a recovery site. We are here to help or be helped.

Shalom!

I don't see it as being any more or less recovery related than the thread about 'New Atheists'. Bashing? Okie dokie. I'm confused...

doorknob · 04-16-2007, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Blake

What this has to do with recovery is that I have been approached at meetings before and given the line that I should believe in god b/c there is no harm if I do and am wrong but great harm if I don't and am wrong. Also this has to do with recovery as a way to show people on this message board that it is okay to be a member of NA and an athiest, as I am....maybe I should have written that in my original post...

You really can't even ask for help and support without people proselytizing. It even happened on the b-day thread that Ann started for me. That's why I don't go to meetings even though I would really like the social interaction. Maybe I'll die because of it, but that's how I feel...

historyteach · 04-17-2007, 12:13 AM

DK,
I know you've gone though alot. And I'm sorry.
I also know you have the ability to say to proselytizers, "Not interested."
I hope you use that, rather than the alternative you suggest.

It was not Blake's post I was refering to.

Shalom!

mendingheart · 04-19-2007, 08:58 PM

Blake,
Good to see your posts......I have missed you on here. I hope all is well in the cooking school!

04-15-2007, 07:48 PM	#1 (permalink)
Blake I'm an addict. Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Hyde Park, NY Posts: 1,201	The Athiest's wager. Refutation of Pascal's wager... http://atheistwager.blogspot.com/200...irst-post.html __________________ Warning: I'm a sick person so take any advice I may be spewing with a grain of salt, but it's what has worked for me, so far.

04-16-2007, 05:24 AM	#4 (permalink)
Blake I'm an addict. Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Hyde Park, NY Posts: 1,201	Teach, the link that I posted in no way flames or mocks anyone's spiritual beliefs, it is simply a logical argument in response to pascal's wager. What this has to do with recovery is that I have been approached at meetings before and given the line that I should believe in god b/c there is no harm if I do and am wrong but great harm if I don't and am wrong. Also this has to do with recovery as a way to show people on this message board that it is okay to be a member of NA and an athiest, as I am....maybe I should have written that in my original post... __________________ Warning: I'm a sick person so take any advice I may be spewing with a grain of salt, but it's what has worked for me, so far.

04-16-2007, 05:35 AM	#5 (permalink)
historyteach To Life! Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Rhode Island Posts: 9,300	Hiya, Blake! No, your link does not flame anything or anyone. And I'm greatful that you made your connection to recovery now. It helps all of us to stay on recovery oriented issues. And your connection certainly is valid. I quit cigarettes using a behavioral approach, so I completely understand. Thanks for your thoughts. Shalom! __________________ IMAGINE

04-17-2007, 12:13 AM	#8 (permalink)
historyteach To Life! Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Rhode Island Posts: 9,300	DK, I know you've gone though alot. And I'm sorry. I also know you have the ability to say to proselytizers, "Not interested." I hope you use that, rather than the alternative you suggest. It was not Blake's post I was refering to. Shalom! __________________ IMAGINE

04-19-2007, 08:58 PM	#9 (permalink)
mendingheart Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: home sweet home Posts: 300	Blake, Good to see your posts......I have missed you on here. I hope all is well in the cooking school! __________________ Good things are about to happen.........

04-15-2007, 09:13 PM	#2 (permalink)
marius404 Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Owensboro, KY Posts: 66	Amazingly, some theist still try to use Pascal's wager. After a little thought it is actually rather easy to refute. It's kind of funny actually. Anytime your talking with a theist who tries to envoke Pascal's wager (most of them don't know that it even has a name) you can tell how little they have thought about it.

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