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crisco · 08-29-2009, 04:12 PM

As I look into the sky and look into the creation, I realized that Great God in the Sky could no exist. I realized that I just cannot believe in a transcedent God unless it Christian God. I have lost faith in that concept.

Therefore, I made something more infinite than myself as the higher power of my life. It is the universe. The infinite and things they we cannot see. The universe makes our problem less larger than seem, makes the biggest fears seems to be smaller, it crushes our alcoholic ego down to realistic size. It makes us humble, it makes feel that we are one with the cosmos.

I live like God does not exist. When I die, my remains will become part of the cosmos. Therefore, my higher power is the universe itself.

The universe is the ultimate secular higher power. It does not require the existance of God. Therefore, it is possible to do the 12 steps with existance of God and have a higher power greater than yourself.

Overman · 08-29-2009, 05:16 PM

Not to burst your bubble or poo-poo your reasoning, but some do refer to the universe as 'god'.

The problem (or benefit) with such spiritual nouns is that they all tend to imply the same thing....ultimate reality, universe, Source, nature, cosmos, etc.

However, I think you are specifically referring to the Judeo-Xtian concept of a personal god...one that loves, hates, is masculine, etc.

Mrak · 08-29-2009, 05:22 PM

Hi crisco,

Congratulations on finding your own personal higher power. I have found that my own higher power is me - and my choice to not drink. I realize I may be chastised or chided by many, that's okay. At least I am still sober for the last 3 years, 10 months, 16 days, 17 hours and 34 minutes (but who's counting?)

I agree with you that living sober can be accomplished without pledging allegiance to a specific deity. To paraphrase a great philosopher (I believe it was Baruch Spinoza), "God does not meddle in the personal affairs of his followers or dissenters. God is busy making sure that nature and the universe function properly."

I wish you strength, peace, a drama free life and success at continued sobriety.

Mrak.

08-29-2009, 04:12 PM	#1 (permalink)
crisco Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 49	Higher Power As I look into the sky and look into the creation, I realized that Great God in the Sky could no exist. I realized that I just cannot believe in a transcedent God unless it Christian God. I have lost faith in that concept. Therefore, I made something more infinite than myself as the higher power of my life. It is the universe. The infinite and things they we cannot see. The universe makes our problem less larger than seem, makes the biggest fears seems to be smaller, it crushes our alcoholic ego down to realistic size. It makes us humble, it makes feel that we are one with the cosmos. I live like God does not exist. When I die, my remains will become part of the cosmos. Therefore, my higher power is the universe itself. The universe is the ultimate secular higher power. It does not require the existance of God. Therefore, it is possible to do the 12 steps with existance of God and have a higher power greater than yourself.

08-29-2009, 05:16 PM	#2 (permalink)
Overman 9/15/08 Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: eastern Kansas Posts: 239	Not to burst your bubble or poo-poo your reasoning, but some do refer to the universe as 'god'. The problem (or benefit) with such spiritual nouns is that they all tend to imply the same thing....ultimate reality, universe, Source, nature, cosmos, etc. However, I think you are specifically referring to the Judeo-Xtian concept of a personal god...one that loves, hates, is masculine, etc. __________________ "If you can smile whenever anything goes wrong, you are either an idiot or a repairman." (or sober!) ~ Anon

08-29-2009, 05:22 PM	#3 (permalink)
Mrak Is it hot here or am I crazy? Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Planet Zirchon 9 (which is just outside Milwaukee, WI.) Posts: 36	I have found my higher power - and it is me. Hi crisco, Congratulations on finding your own personal higher power. I have found that my own higher power is me - and my choice to not drink. I realize I may be chastised or chided by many, that's okay. At least I am still sober for the last 3 years, 10 months, 16 days, 17 hours and 34 minutes (but who's counting?) I agree with you that living sober can be accomplished without pledging allegiance to a specific deity. To paraphrase a great philosopher (I believe it was Baruch Spinoza), "God does not meddle in the personal affairs of his followers or dissenters. God is busy making sure that nature and the universe function properly." I wish you strength, peace, a drama free life and success at continued sobriety. Mrak.

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