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SlvrMag · 07-17-2008, 10:55 PM

Someone at my NA meeting said "That door knob can be your Higher Power, but be careful, it may turn on you!" I was crackin' up!

I am still trying to find that HP, not sure what my faith is anymore.....

windysan · 07-18-2008, 06:55 AM

Ease up on the space pictures, guys. I'm having multiple flashbacks and that makes working difficult.

LogCabin · 07-18-2008, 08:09 AM

Party pooper, Windy....

zencat · 07-18-2008, 08:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LogCabin

Cool Zen...Is that an actual photograph or enhanced with an artist? (These things are important to me).

I believe the images like that one are and many others like that are taken with a wider light spectrum than we can see with our eyes. the colors are real however.

LogCabin · 07-18-2008, 08:35 AM

That is cool. I don't mind as long as it is mentioned. And Nasa is good about letting us know when it is an artists rendition, or enhanced. Otherwise, you are right...we could not see it with a naked human eye.

barb dwyer · 07-18-2008, 12:53 PM

I can relate to those photos.

heehee.

**Peter** · 07-18-2008, 02:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by barb dwyer

I can relate to those photos.

heehee.

I know you can

dickb · 07-18-2008, 02:47 PM

“God as we understood Him”
A.A. History Time Saver Number One

Dick B.
©2008 Anonymous. All rights reserved

• Steps Three and Eleven of our Big Book originally contained the word “God” without qualification. Pass It On, page 198.

• After a dispute in the office of Ruth Hock, the secretary who typed the manuscripts, it was decided to change the language to “God as we understood Him.” Dick B., Twelve Steps for You, 19-20, 25.

• Though one early AA claimed authorship of the expression, Bill Wilson never specifically stated its source.

• We now know that Bill Wilson had extensive conferences with Rev. Sam Shoemaker as the Big Book was being assembled. We also know that Bill asked Sam to write the Twelve Steps and that Sam declined suggesting that Bill should write them. Dick B., New Light on Alcoholism, 357-84, 8-10, 73.

• We also know that the expression “God as you understand Him” was in common use by Sam Shoemaker in his writings at least as early as the date of his title, Children of the Second Birth. Dick B., New Light on Alcoholism, 95-97, 156.

windysan · 07-18-2008, 05:28 PM

No point. I just got carried away looking at all the spacey pictures. I got to thinking about Bill Wilson's "spiritual experience" and googled and viola......I found a funny.

bugsworth · 07-19-2008, 05:04 AM

Google is AMAZING!!! You can find almost anything.

Ya know what I never understood is why Wilson didn't change his sobriety date. I mean really...I went to a meeting when I was about 2 months sober and this poor guy that had about the same amount of time as I did shared that he had been sick and took some Nyquil...my God you would have thought he was drinking right there in the meeting. The meeting happened to be a chip meeting and wouldn't you know it they berated him until he picked up a white chip. Personally I would think the use of LSD would demand the same action. Hypocrisy at its finest!

Thank you Dick for the clarification. GOD in the bb means exactly what every thinking human knows it to mean. A divine deity...the word manipulation and false pretense that it can mean a Group Of Drunks is an insult to those who tend to think rationally.

Dee74 · 07-19-2008, 05:21 AM

I guess, in all seriousness, Wilson thought of it as therapeutic.
Which goes to prove (again) that some drunks will do anything to rationalise a buzz LOL.

D

windysan · 07-19-2008, 06:01 AM

I shoulda just stuck to the psychedelics. Dang hard drugs got me. gggrrrrr

bugsworth · 07-19-2008, 06:01 AM

I do believe I once read an explanation of his LSD use as an attempt to obtain better conscious contact with God, expanding his spirituality if you will. LOL

Hey, don't hog the popcorn!

windysan · 07-19-2008, 07:37 AM

My higher power is that tiny square piece of blotter paper.

LOL

bugsworth · 07-19-2008, 07:39 AM

Just one square? LOL

LogCabin · 07-19-2008, 10:40 AM

Interesting read. I have always loved how James Wood played Bill W. in the movie of his life. I think he captured the manic part of Bill very well.

I guess they left that part out of the movie...as well as the Bill and his wife's "Stepping Stone" room. I love hearing the real, and not all the sugar coating. It would have been interesting to hang with Bill. (In full sobriety.)

I have always wondered why so many hard core AAers are against therapy. I see it as just one more tool in my recovery belt. And why did they get mad at Bill for going. Don't they understand that the program and other resources can all work together?

LogCabin · 07-19-2008, 10:41 AM

Ok...what is going on? I can't read the "You post is being Moderated". It flashes to fast.

Why can't we talk about Bill W and his Acid trip? It is already out there. Common knowledge.

Anyway, Windy...my replies keep being censored. But your original reply did not bother me. I thought it was funny and interesting.

***Morning Glory*** · 07-19-2008, 10:46 AM

If you have questions you can send a private message.

One of the moderators removed a couple of posts due to the remarks about the drug and felt it was inappropriate for a recovery forum.

There was also a concern that the thread is going off topic from the original post.

07-18-2008, 12:53 PM	#56 (permalink)
barb dwyer same planet...different world Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: butte mt Posts: 7,105	I can relate to those photos. heehee.
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07-19-2008, 05:04 AM	#60 (permalink)
bugsworth Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 1,016	Google is AMAZING!!! You can find almost anything. Ya know what I never understood is why Wilson didn't change his sobriety date. I mean really...I went to a meeting when I was about 2 months sober and this poor guy that had about the same amount of time as I did shared that he had been sick and took some Nyquil...my God you would have thought he was drinking right there in the meeting. The meeting happened to be a chip meeting and wouldn't you know it they berated him until he picked up a white chip. Personally I would think the use of LSD would demand the same action. Hypocrisy at its finest! Thank you Dick for the clarification. GOD in the bb means exactly what every thinking human knows it to mean. A divine deity...the word manipulation and false pretense that it can mean a Group Of Drunks is an insult to those who tend to think rationally.
bugsworth Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 1,016

07-19-2008, 05:21 AM	#61 (permalink)
Dee74 warning contents may settle Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: far out. Posts: 8,503	I guess, in all seriousness, Wilson thought of it as therapeutic. Which goes to prove (again) that some drunks will do anything to rationalise a buzz LOL. D
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07-19-2008, 06:01 AM	#63 (permalink)
bugsworth Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 1,016	I do believe I once read an explanation of his LSD use as an attempt to obtain better conscious contact with God, expanding his spirituality if you will. LOL Hey, don't hog the popcorn!
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07-19-2008, 07:39 AM	#65 (permalink)
bugsworth Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 1,016	Just one square? LOL
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07-17-2008, 10:55 PM	#51 (permalink)
SlvrMag Magnum Addict!!! Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Stuck in SoCal Posts: 497	Someone at my NA meeting said "That door knob can be your Higher Power, but be careful, it may turn on you!" I was crackin' up! I am still trying to find that HP, not sure what my faith is anymore.....

07-18-2008, 06:55 AM	#52 (permalink)
windysan Large Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: La Posts: 2,959	Ease up on the space pictures, guys. I'm having multiple flashbacks and that makes working difficult.

07-18-2008, 08:09 AM	#53 (permalink)
LogCabin Seriously Fun! Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: California coast Posts: 418	Party pooper, Windy....

07-18-2008, 08:35 AM	#55 (permalink)
LogCabin Seriously Fun! Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: California coast Posts: 418	That is cool. I don't mind as long as it is mentioned. And Nasa is good about letting us know when it is an artists rendition, or enhanced. Otherwise, you are right...we could not see it with a naked human eye.

07-18-2008, 02:47 PM	#58 (permalink)
dickb DickB Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Kihei, Hawaii Posts: 6	“God as we understood Him” A.A. History Time Saver Number One Dick B. ©2008 Anonymous. All rights reserved • Steps Three and Eleven of our Big Book originally contained the word “God” without qualification. Pass It On, page 198. • After a dispute in the office of Ruth Hock, the secretary who typed the manuscripts, it was decided to change the language to “God as we understood Him.” Dick B., Twelve Steps for You, 19-20, 25. • Though one early AA claimed authorship of the expression, Bill Wilson never specifically stated its source. • We now know that Bill Wilson had extensive conferences with Rev. Sam Shoemaker as the Big Book was being assembled. We also know that Bill asked Sam to write the Twelve Steps and that Sam declined suggesting that Bill should write them. Dick B., New Light on Alcoholism, 357-84, 8-10, 73. • We also know that the expression “God as you understand Him” was in common use by Sam Shoemaker in his writings at least as early as the date of his title, Children of the Second Birth. Dick B., New Light on Alcoholism, 95-97, 156.

07-18-2008, 05:28 PM	#59 (permalink)
windysan Large Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: La Posts: 2,959	No point. I just got carried away looking at all the spacey pictures. I got to thinking about Bill Wilson's "spiritual experience" and googled and viola......I found a funny.

07-19-2008, 06:01 AM	#62 (permalink)
windysan Large Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: La Posts: 2,959	I shoulda just stuck to the psychedelics. Dang hard drugs got me. gggrrrrr

07-19-2008, 07:37 AM	#64 (permalink)
windysan Large Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: La Posts: 2,959	My higher power is that tiny square piece of blotter paper. LOL

07-19-2008, 10:40 AM	#66 (permalink)
LogCabin Seriously Fun! Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: California coast Posts: 418	Interesting read. I have always loved how James Wood played Bill W. in the movie of his life. I think he captured the manic part of Bill very well. I guess they left that part out of the movie...as well as the Bill and his wife's "Stepping Stone" room. I love hearing the real, and not all the sugar coating. It would have been interesting to hang with Bill. (In full sobriety.) I have always wondered why so many hard core AAers are against therapy. I see it as just one more tool in my recovery belt. And why did they get mad at Bill for going. Don't they understand that the program and other resources can all work together?

07-19-2008, 10:41 AM	#67 (permalink)
LogCabin Seriously Fun! Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: California coast Posts: 418	Ok...what is going on? I can't read the "You post is being Moderated". It flashes to fast. Why can't we talk about Bill W and his Acid trip? It is already out there. Common knowledge. Anyway, Windy...my replies keep being censored. But your original reply did not bother me. I thought it was funny and interesting.

07-19-2008, 10:46 AM	#68 (permalink)
*Morning Glory* Administrator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: CA Posts: 1,193	If you have questions you can send a private message. One of the moderators removed a couple of posts due to the remarks about the drug and felt it was inappropriate for a recovery forum. There was also a concern that the thread is going off topic from the original post.
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