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windysan · 07-14-2008, 10:57 AM

I found this interesting...

Stories from the High & Dry: Atheists and Agnostics

**Alera** · 07-14-2008, 11:05 AM

euphemism,condescending, transactional analysis. Are you sure you read this article Windy?

BTW, I'm just teasing you back for all the posts where you say you don't understand things. Clearly you do and that's what I like about your posts.

Thanks for sharing this article!

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Originally Posted by from the article

aron goes to a variety of A.A. meetings. "I usually keep a low profile, but I speak up when there´s too much focus on Christian dogma. I try to remind people that this is a program of inclusion, not exclusion. I prefer meetings like ours where you don´t have to think about how you´re going to phrase your comments. Unfortunately, though, I´ve had to be careful what I say in some A.A.A.A. (Alcoholics Anonymous for Atheists and Agnostics) too.

"That distresses me. What works for you is your business. Don´t force your beliefs on others. Share them. You don´t have to force feed it to them."

Its a shame that even in the AAAA meeting she feels this way.

windysan · 07-14-2008, 11:30 AM

I had to look those words up in the dickshunary

anvilhead · 07-14-2008, 01:20 PM

HEY, that's outta MY neck o' the woods!!!

Fremont IS the center of the known universe, ya'll knew that right?
thanks for sharing that article Windy!

Aa_vark · 07-14-2008, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by anvilhead

HEY, that's outta MY neck o' the woods!!!

Fremont IS the center of the known universe, ya'll knew that right?
thanks for sharing that article Windy!

FREEMONT!! i went there for a cold turkey meeting on thanksgiving once...

wow...

midnight meetings are great there, aND VERY EFFICIENT, AS EVERYONE SHARES AT THE SAME TIME!! LOL...

ananda · 07-14-2008, 04:08 PM

thanks for the post! I wish they had those options where I live. I always tell my sponsor that the bB is full of "trick" stuff...I agree with the article alot.

thans for sharing tht!

Dee74 · 07-14-2008, 04:19 PM

< thinking of what nude AA meetings might look like...

D

nolonger · 07-15-2008, 01:09 AM

Interesting stuff Windy. Muchas gracias.

I wondered though: when that guy "says proudly he never had to pay a claim" does that mean nothing ever happened to anyone he sold insurance to, or that he always managed to find some loophole to avoid paying out? Could be either.

bugsworth · 07-15-2008, 05:03 AM

Nude aa meetings? YIKES!!!!

Interesting article Windy thanks!

anvilhead · 07-15-2008, 12:52 PM

boy that whole GROUP HUG thing could certainly be interesting......................

LogCabin · 07-16-2008, 01:17 PM

Good article...

VengeanceofRain · 07-23-2008, 06:00 AM

i thought about starting an athiest/agnostic AA but i found out my dislike of the program runs deeper than just religon

Mala09 · 07-24-2008, 01:32 AM

Interesting article -- there are many agnostics and atheists in meetings I attend.

More and more I find that what interests me is not whether recovering alcoholics identify as religious or atheist or alternaytive etc but that people learn to think for themselves, think through the positions they hold rather than following the crowd and imitating. The 'fake it till you make it' idea is appalling.

Love & peace

Mala

windysan · 07-24-2008, 05:58 AM

They only have AA meetings here. The NA meetings are nothing but court ordered folks. I wish there were some alternatives to 12 steps around here but there aren't. I find the AA meetings annoying and dangerous.

ananda · 07-24-2008, 10:16 AM

yep fake it till you make it is a killer...literally!

I don't care what beliefs the others have as long as they share from the heart and let me have my own view

**Alera** · 07-24-2008, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Mala09

Interesting article -- there are many agnostics and atheists in meetings I attend.

More and more I find that what interests me is not whether recovering alcoholics identify as religious or atheist or alternaytive etc but that people learn to think for themselves, think through the positions they hold rather than following the crowd and imitating. The 'fake it till you make it' idea is appalling.

Love & peace

Mala

I found the fake-it-til-you-make-it was good for one thing. When I first came into "the rooms" I was a mess, and at least I was able to sit there and fake it while I sat among people that were clean. After those first two weeks I was good and clean and then stopped going to meetings and began to work my recovery in another program since my mind was now clear.

I do think AA/NA is good for some atheist and agnostic folks though, which is why I'm glad we have this board for those who choose to make 12 steps their program of recovery.

ananda · 07-24-2008, 03:04 PM

Thanks Alera

I wish the thread got more use. I use the 12 steps and don't believe in "god" so this is a good resource for me.

**Alera** · 07-24-2008, 08:16 PM

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Thanks Alera

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windysan Large Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: La Posts: 2,699	Chapter to the Agnostic I found this interesting... Stories from the High & Dry: Atheists and Agnostics

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windysan Large Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: La Posts: 2,699	They only have AA meetings here. The NA meetings are nothing but court ordered folks. I wish there were some alternatives to 12 steps around here but there aren't. I find the AA meetings annoying and dangerous.
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windysan Large Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: La Posts: 2,699	I had to look those words up in the dickshunary

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anvilhead cheerfully retired Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 6,629	HEY, that's outta MY neck o' the woods!!! Fremont IS the center of the known universe, ya'll knew that right? thanks for sharing that article Windy!

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ananda Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Somewhere Left of Left Posts: 3,883	thanks for the post! I wish they had those options where I live. I always tell my sponsor that the bB is full of "trick" stuff...I agree with the article alot. thans for sharing tht!

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nolonger Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: . Posts: 303	Interesting stuff Windy. Muchas gracias. I wondered though: when that guy "says proudly he never had to pay a claim" does that mean nothing ever happened to anyone he sold insurance to, or that he always managed to find some loophole to avoid paying out? Could be either.

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anvilhead cheerfully retired Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 6,629	boy that whole GROUP HUG thing could certainly be interesting......................

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LogCabin Seriously Fun! Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: California coast Posts: 415	Good article...

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VengeanceofRain Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: little rock, ar Posts: 99	i thought about starting an athiest/agnostic AA but i found out my dislike of the program runs deeper than just religon

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Mala09 Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Hereford, UK Posts: 86	Interesting article -- there are many agnostics and atheists in meetings I attend. More and more I find that what interests me is not whether recovering alcoholics identify as religious or atheist or alternaytive etc but that people learn to think for themselves, think through the positions they hold rather than following the crowd and imitating. The 'fake it till you make it' idea is appalling. Love & peace Mala

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ananda Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Somewhere Left of Left Posts: 3,883	yep fake it till you make it is a killer...literally! I don't care what beliefs the others have as long as they share from the heart and let me have my own view

07-24-2008, 03:04 PM	#17 (permalink)
ananda Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Somewhere Left of Left Posts: 3,883	Thanks Alera I wish the thread got more use. I use the 12 steps and don't believe in "god" so this is a good resource for me.