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aprilflower · 05-03-2008, 04:23 PM

I have to agree with you whole heartedly. I am an outsider, I have always felt this way my whole life, and when I need the most, the na/aa groups says "hey, you gotta believe in something greater than yourself to get better". UGH. I can believe in human beings, and I can believe in myself and nature, and life. But I don't have to beleive in a male violent angry shamefilling God.
I am grateful to have found this site.

Zanthos · 05-04-2008, 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Barto

I don’t say The Lord’s Prayer either. Too Catholic for me.

Originally Jewish.

Zanthos · 05-04-2008, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by aprilflower

I have to agree with you whole heartedly. I am an outsider, I have always felt this way my whole life, and when I need the most, the na/aa groups says "hey, you gotta believe in something greater than yourself to get better". UGH. I can believe in human beings, and I can believe in myself and nature, and life. But I don't have to beleive in a male violent angry shamefilling God.
I am grateful to have found this site.

Why "UGH"????

"They" are right -- you have to believe in something greater/bigger/other than yourself to get better.

And you do. You just said so: other human beings, Nature, Life.

Of course you don't have to believe in an angry violent God, of either gender. And no one is telling you you need to. Except maybe your disease.

Barto · 05-05-2008, 01:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Zanthos

Originally Jewish.

So was Jesus.

zencat · 05-11-2008, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by VernUlven

I do feel the big book and Bill W's intent was to bring alcoholics to god, particularly the "same god" as mentioned on page 161 when he states "united under one god".

I remind myself that this is the authors concept of God to his understanding and in AA we can have an understanding of our own, even if its different from the author or various author's of the Big Book.

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Originally Posted by VernUlven

I just need to alter my interpretation of it so I don't feel that nagging feeling of "hey something is wrong with this, it conflicts with your personal beliefs."

I do the same. To me everything in the BB is a suggestion or opinion of the author(s) and like my understanding God I an free to develop my own opinion or understanding Of the BB. In this way I avoid any conflicts with my core beliefs.

ananda · 05-11-2008, 11:08 AM

Thank you zencat - you say this much better than I can! I did have to allow others to believe differently from me in order to be "comfortable" with and be able to use the suport of AA.

Thank you for the share!

**Alera** · 05-14-2008, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by ananda

Thank you zencat - you say this much better than I can! I did have to allow others to believe differently from me in order to be "comfortable" with and be able to use the suport of AA.

Thank you for the share!

Every time I find a person thinking differently I remind myself that just as they have a different perspective, they probably see me in a similar light. This often helps me be comfortable with the different views and support of my recovery program.

aprilflower · 05-23-2008, 05:16 PM

I had an open mind today and attended my first AA meeting in 6 months, a member reminded me. It was the medicine that i needed today. The wisdom and encouragement and love I felt by the other members in the group relieved me of my anger and dislike towards the male run dominated religion of my childhood. I know I need people to get well today. I have tried to 'do it alone' for too long. I am going to try to 'easy does it' and take what I need and try not to get sicker by blaming and complaining about 'god' to these alcoholics who only are trying to recover today...
Still sober today
How are you doing?

windysan · 05-24-2008, 04:58 PM

as if i wasn't confused enough. i think somebody created this thing in order to tease me. it ain't nice to tease the dimwitted.

bugsworth · 05-25-2008, 07:10 AM

No need to be confused Windy, you got the best program around!

Don't drink...Don't do drugs. It works if you work it!

ananda · 05-25-2008, 07:22 AM

I'm confused too.......I'm so glad to see someone posting....Hi bugs

bugsworth · 05-25-2008, 07:27 AM

Morning ananda! What are you confused about?

ananda · 05-25-2008, 07:39 AM

I'm so confused....I don't even know what about. What is windysan confused about. Sorry Bugs, I'm just having a hard time this morning and I'm sorta beeing stupid. I'll be ok. I just needed to feel like there was someone out there.

Thanks.

bugsworth · 05-25-2008, 07:48 AM

ananda, no need to be sorry and you are not being stupid! I am sorry you are feeling down, it happens to everybody! Although I am not aa I do believe that "this to shall pass" Everyday ain't a party, kwim?

ananda · 05-25-2008, 07:52 AM

thanks bugs - I still feel real weepy, but a little better....picked up trash the dogs strew across the lawn and the house. I'll remember I can keep walking even when i'm crying

bugsworth · 05-25-2008, 08:02 AM

Ananda, A good cry never killed anyone! So go ahead and have one! Don't beat yourself up over it!

**Alera** · 05-27-2008, 12:06 PM

How are you doing Ananda?

05-25-2008, 07:10 AM	#35 (permalink)
bugsworth Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 957	No need to be confused Windy, you got the best program around! Don't drink...Don't do drugs. It works if you work it!
bugsworth Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 957

05-25-2008, 07:27 AM	#37 (permalink)
bugsworth Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 957	Morning ananda! What are you confused about?
bugsworth Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 957

05-25-2008, 07:48 AM	#39 (permalink)
bugsworth Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 957	ananda, no need to be sorry and you are not being stupid! I am sorry you are feeling down, it happens to everybody! Although I am not aa I do believe that "this to shall pass" Everyday ain't a party, kwim?
bugsworth Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 957

05-25-2008, 08:02 AM	#41 (permalink)
bugsworth Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 957	Ananda, A good cry never killed anyone! So go ahead and have one! Don't beat yourself up over it!
bugsworth Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 957

05-27-2008, 12:06 PM	#42 (permalink)
Alera SR's SMART Goth Mod Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: SoCal Posts: 1,837	How are you doing Ananda?
	__________________ Copyright © 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008 Alera The addiction will protect itself ... AT ALL COSTS.

05-03-2008, 04:23 PM	#26 (permalink)
aprilflower survivor Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Portage, Mi Posts: 5	I have to agree with you whole heartedly. I am an outsider, I have always felt this way my whole life, and when I need the most, the na/aa groups says "hey, you gotta believe in something greater than yourself to get better". UGH. I can believe in human beings, and I can believe in myself and nature, and life. But I don't have to beleive in a male violent angry shamefilling God. I am grateful to have found this site.

05-11-2008, 11:08 AM	#31 (permalink)
ananda Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Somewhere Left of Left Posts: 3,918	Thank you zencat - you say this much better than I can! I did have to allow others to believe differently from me in order to be "comfortable" with and be able to use the suport of AA. Thank you for the share!

05-23-2008, 05:16 PM	#33 (permalink)
aprilflower survivor Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Portage, Mi Posts: 5	I had an open mind today and attended my first AA meeting in 6 months, a member reminded me. It was the medicine that i needed today. The wisdom and encouragement and love I felt by the other members in the group relieved me of my anger and dislike towards the male run dominated religion of my childhood. I know I need people to get well today. I have tried to 'do it alone' for too long. I am going to try to 'easy does it' and take what I need and try not to get sicker by blaming and complaining about 'god' to these alcoholics who only are trying to recover today... Still sober today How are you doing?

05-24-2008, 04:58 PM	#34 (permalink)
windysan Large Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: La Posts: 2,699	as if i wasn't confused enough. i think somebody created this thing in order to tease me. it ain't nice to tease the dimwitted.

05-25-2008, 07:22 AM	#36 (permalink)
ananda Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Somewhere Left of Left Posts: 3,918	I'm confused too.......I'm so glad to see someone posting....Hi bugs

05-25-2008, 07:39 AM	#38 (permalink)
ananda Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Somewhere Left of Left Posts: 3,918	I'm so confused....I don't even know what about. What is windysan confused about. Sorry Bugs, I'm just having a hard time this morning and I'm sorta beeing stupid. I'll be ok. I just needed to feel like there was someone out there. Thanks.

05-25-2008, 07:52 AM	#40 (permalink)
ananda Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Somewhere Left of Left Posts: 3,918	thanks bugs - I still feel real weepy, but a little better....picked up trash the dogs strew across the lawn and the house. I'll remember I can keep walking even when i'm crying

07-08-2008, 08:46 PM	#43 (permalink)
dryjuliet contemplating Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Atlanta, Georgia Posts: 16