The blind leading the blind

[Katie09]

Originally Posted by robc

I was really glad to read those last few posts. I have to admit that when I heard this latest situation I got really annoyed. Katie you sound extremely irresponsible. I think it is important to have compassion and be supportive of people, but at some point people need to draw the line. This forum is awesome, but dayam there is a lot of sugar coating around here. It's almost like if someone is an alcoholic they have a free pass to be a f*** up. Stop feeling sorry for yourself and get your ass to rehab.

I wanted to do a global response to this thread, but this post just irks me. I am NOT feeling sorry for myself. What I AM doing is assessing resources to figure out the most responsible way to get this deal done and take care of my pets. After more research and more phone calls, it's looking like the Florida deal. I confess, I need something new, even if it's untried. People can go ahead and judge me all they want, but the one thing I've never been is stupid. Yeah, maybe I've been in the grips of alcohol dependence and mental illness, but I still have enough gray cells in my brain to search for ways to that which will truly help without breaking the bank account. And, at the same time, I look for innovation.

To those of you who just put the "plug in the jug," I envy you and God Bless Ya! I have other issues to deal with. Go ahead and give up on me, but I won't.

Oh, and I extend my dearest regards to any of you who supported me in this thread.

[nickishine]

Katie Bear....

Loved you from day 1, and love you now! I'll ALWAYS be there for you! I just want YOU to be there too!

[December15]

All the best with your rehab program. I would suggest you pick a program and stick to it rather than withdraw after second thoughts cause someone else may miss out due to the indecisiveness. I hope you make it to sobriety.

[Katie09]

Originally Posted by nickishine

Katie Bear....

Loved you from day 1, and love you now! I'll ALWAYS be there for you! I just want YOU to be there too!

Friend of Katie, I'm willing to go to the ends of the earth for her, I just want her to go where she needs help. I've been sticking around, to see she is being taken care of. Thank you for non-judgmental support.

[Lenina]

Katie,

I'm glad to see you posting. I think everyone wants you to get well. Most of us can probably relate to what you are going through. You need to take some positive action right now. It doesn't really matter where you go for rehab. In my opinion it's best to find one close to home that has an after care plan.

If you have found one that will allow you take your pets and your computer, wow, that sounds great. If not, try to find one that will have some plan for after care in your area. For me it was really important to continue my recovery with people I already knew.

Please don't put this off much longer. We want you to get well and come back to SR.

Please keep us posted.

Love,

Lenina

[jimhere]

You said it. The blind leading the blind.

I could save you some money. Let me make a frank assessment: You aren't done yet.

Meanwhile, the rest of you love poor old Katie-poo to death.

[nickishine]

Originally Posted by jimhere

You said it. The blind leading the blind.

I could save you some money. Let me make a frank assessment: You aren't done yet.

Meanwhile, the rest of you love poor old Katie-poo to death.

Yeah! I willlllll!!!!!.......Right into life and sobriety!!!!

Katie Bear, Just get in to rehab, K?????

xoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxooxoxoxoxoxo

[Katie09]

Originally Posted by jimhere

You said it. The blind leading the blind.

I could save you some money. Let me make a frank assessment: You aren't done yet.

Meanwhile, the rest of you love poor old Katie-poo to death.

Whatever. I don't view your comment as kindhearted, and I am damn strong hearted enough to say this. I am sorry I have to balance my very real financial concerns along with others, in this economy. Thank God, I have someone who is with me here who is now concerned. And he owns three houses in CA and is fiscally free. So there.

At times I do get tired of the condescending behavior here, and it really angers me. I am on the crux of life and death and am smart enough to know what this means.

[gerryP]

Katie give your head a good shake. You are posting nonsense. Your friend...please.

I wish you well, but as true as God is my witness I can't read your posts anymore. What are you apparently expecting of people here? To continue love bombing you and telling you it's OK to continue with your thinking and behavior?? If we all thought it was OK, we'd all be STILL drinking ourselves!!!

[bugsworth]

Katie....I agree with you...you are dealing with life and death. If you were smart enough to see this you would stop drinking. If I remember correctly you have been doing this for 30 some years...you can end it if you really wanted to...this has NOTHING to do with money.

[Katie09]

Originally Posted by gerryP

Katie give your head a good shake. You are posting nonsense. Your friend...please.

I wish you well, but as true as God is my witness I can't read your posts anymore. What are you apparently expecting of people here? To continue love bombing you and telling you it's OK to continue with your thinking and behavior?? If we all thought it was OK, we'd all be STILL drinking ourselves!!!

Well, never said I was an easy case and far too much for the Net, which is why I've explored every other option. I keep reaching out at every straw, and keep coming up with the same results. I suppose I could be angry right now at what you are saying, but I can't. At some point it really truly is up to ourselves to save ourselves, which is my plan. I just get so tired of the same old stuff to save ourselves with an antiquated playbook. I really do. I am looking to science and not a 70 year old book to save my ass.

I will most likely not post after tonight, but I will share my friend's experience. He did do the whole deal as a counselor in the DOD for 15 years and had 18 years of sobriety in AA, and was considered a guru. Sure, he's done all the EST stuff on the coast and everything else. The truth is, there really is NO answer for this question. We've both been through the mill. We've all been through the mill. There IS no answer in science. And science it what I look to. NO, I don't think what I need is some spiritual conversion. Oh well, I could go on and on, but we're just looking in all the wrong places. I truly hope we ALL find a cure for this deal, but it's not going to happen in my lifetime. My best regards, Katie09.

[bugsworth]

Katie...you keep posting about aa and its "playbook"...I ask again...what does this have to do with your sobriety? It seems to me that you are using it as an excuse. The best way to debunk what you think is antiquated is to get and stay sober without it.
The answer which you seek is simple...don't drink. It works.

[HMBHGW]

Bugs is right. Money really isn't an issue.

When the difference between havin a drink or not havin a drink becomes a real issue, like "you have to pay attention to this now" kind of issue, money won't matter. If you still think it's fun to sit up all night and play around on the computer then you're probably not there yet. If you're real lucky you might go a long time, you might even go your whole life, without your habits becoming a real problem.

Then again, you might wake up one of these mornings with blood exploding from every orifice on your body, and the grim reaper knocking insistently. Find yourself in those shoes and you'll stop caring about money real quick.

But by all means- keep wasting time. Maybe that's what your headstone will read. Here lies Katie09. She died as she lived. Wasting everyone's time, including her own.

[Anna]

Please keep your comments in a positive frame and express your experience to Katie.

There is no need to be negative towards Katie.

Katie, I too, am very worried about your attitude towards sobriety and I hope you understand that the members here are speaking out of concern for you,

[Dee74]

This board is full of people who've found an answer, Katie - lots of different answers too btw.

It's not easy but it really is simple.

If you really want to be sober, you find a way.

Fall down deep enough and nothing else matters.

That's the bottom line.
D

[flutter]

Originally Posted by ViciousCycle

Katie, the jig is up. I have deleted many of my replies to this continuing saga in fear of hurting your feelings. No more.... I am also done with it all. I am not even going to read these threads anymore. It is one big circle jerk. It is time for you to own-up and have some accountability for your actions.
I truly hope you find the help you need.

Ditto. Take care, Katie. I hope one day you want to get better, til then.. I just don't know what to say, so that's all I'll say.

[AlkalikeH]

Why is everyone posting things like "i don´t care anymore"?

If you don´t care, then skip the thread!

I assume it must feel like a spit in the face for those who have given her support and her advice all through her threads. You were the ones that decided to give her attention and care for her situation. And after all you have read from her, you did not expected this one coming? i mean:

I read only one thread of her and i even saw someone saying something like "Katie, i hope your friend comes by to go to rehab with you and NOT to start hitting the bars" (something like that) so i said to myself "damn! there is also a chance for that to happen!" well, you know what? it did. So, know you are her a hard time? for not taking your advice? Well people, then stop giving support and advice alltogether, because you are in for a world of disappointment, not only on SR...

We are dealing with addictions here, this ain´t the Microsoft Office support forum. There is no math or technical things to be done to deal with things like this. I mean, is anyone of you here because kicking the habit was like eating a piece of cake on sunny day by the beach? Sh*t can get rough, and again: i do know how it feel on to insisting for anyone to change their ways - but if they won´t, why the hell would i go mad, post stuff that will never ever help? Just forget about it. There are million of people drinking themselves to their graves right now - are you gonna think of them and get pissed about them too? Give me a f*ck break.

I am posting this out of interest of the newbies here, because this thread is a serious case of (thanks to whoever posted this term, i f*cking love it!) BIG SHOTISM. This part of the forum is filled with relapses, people falling on and off the wagon. If you are so in control of your situation, then: kudos! I am not in control, people in here aren´t either. So if you have zillions of sober or clean days under your belt or whatever, then awesome! People here just want to get started, and getting heat from people that might come as "superior" (i personally don´t buy into that) or whatever.... DO NOT HELP!

So let´s wish the best to Katie and her friend and that´s it. Picking up the hot charcoal might lead to get burnt, so don´t post (as someone earlier said) if you don´t have anything at least slightly positive to say.

P.S: loved the "grim reaper and tombstone" thread reply above: pretty f****ing scary that she is going to die and you are not! I will try to avoid taking cabs also, it might lead me to an early grave

[jimhere]

Originally Posted by AlkalikeH

Why is everyone posting things like "i don´t care anymore"?

If you don´t care, then skip the thread!

I assume it must feel like a spit in the face for those who have given her support and her advice all through her threads. You were the ones that decided to give her attention and care for her situation. And after all you have read from her, you did not expected this one coming? i mean:

I read only one thread of her and i even saw someone saying something like "Katie, i hope your friend comes by to go to rehab with you and NOT to start hitting the bars" (something like that) so i said to myself "damn! there is also a chance for that to happen!" well, you know what? it did. So, know you are her a hard time? for not taking your advice? Well people, then stop giving support and advice alltogether, because you are in for a world of disappointment, not only on SR...

We are dealing with addictions here, this ain´t the Microsoft Office support forum. There is no math or technical things to be done to deal with things like this. I mean, is anyone of you here because kicking the habit was like eating a piece of cake on sunny day by the beach? Sh*t can get rough, and again: i do know how it feel on to insisting for anyone to change their ways - but if they won´t, why the hell would i go mad, post stuff that will never ever help? Just forget about it. There are million of people drinking themselves to their graves right now - are you gonna think of them and get pissed about them too? Give me a f*ck break.

I am posting this out of interest of the newbies here, because this thread is a serious case of (thanks to whoever posted this term, i f*cking love it!) BIG SHOTISM. This part of the forum is filled with relapses, people falling on and off the wagon. If you are so in control of your situation, then: kudos! I am not in control, people in here aren´t either. So if you have zillions of sober or clean days under your belt or whatever, then awesome! People here just want to get started, and getting heat from people that might come as "superior" (i personally don´t buy into that) or whatever.... DO NOT HELP!

So let´s wish the best to Katie and her friend and that´s it. Picking up the hot charcoal might lead to get burnt, so don´t post (as someone earlier said) if you don´t have anything at least slightly positive to say.

P.S: loved the "grim reaper and tombstone" thread reply above: pretty f****ing scary that she is going to die and you are not! I will try to avoid taking cabs also, it might lead me to an early grave

Alcoholics die of alcoholism if they keep drinking. That is a fact.

I don't even know if this Katie person is the real deal. He she or it may be a troll, as a friend piointed out to me via private message.

But, with a few exceptions, this whole thread has truly lived up to its title. The blind leading the blind. 'Nuff said.

[nickishine]

Katie Bear....

Where are you? DON'T LEAVE US!!!!!!

[Amazonqueen522]

Katie,

Please take care of yourself, I will be here to give you support when you return,,,

[Aysha]

Katie..I really dont want to post like I did when I first met you. Because I am not here to judge anyone.

But what is goin on? I had no idea your "friend" was drinking with you. That is ridiculous.
I hear alot of excuses. You seem so desperate for help and I thought willing to do what it took. It really isnt that hard to get into a rehab. It isnt. I am sorry but it is one of the most easy things to do in my experience. And if your payin too. It makes it that much more easy.

You can fool us. But we arent the ones who matter at the end of the day.
Go look in the mirror and tell yourself all the things you are telling us. Your only foolin yourself. And in the long run. Only hurting yourself.

I hope you snao out of it soon. How much more of this are you willing to let yourself take?
No showers for weeks and dog crap all over the place. Is that how you really want to live? I been there. And recently. I know I dont like it and am tired of it.

I am goin to be honest..when you were talkin about your "friend" telling you about organizing your house while your gone and calling merry maids. That raised a red flag to me. I didnt want to say so. But it did. All that is irrelevant to your health and life right now. Get your ass to a rehab. And let the real professionals help you with everything else.
I am hoping you do something soon.

[seemethrough]

Hi Katie,
What exactly is it that you look for when you post threads like this? Is it support? attention? People have shown you those things, people have supported you, worried about you, cared for you and loved you...I am sure some people have even cried for you. I hope that you take a good long look in the mirror and decide for yourself what it is that you need to do. I had many other things that I wanted to say, but I think it will be best if I just leave it at this...no one here is giving up on you but I do think that people are tired of fighting for you.

[nickishine]

Originally Posted by HMBHGW

But by all means- keep wasting time. Maybe that's what your headstone will read. Here lies Katie09. She died as she lived. Wasting everyone's time, including her own.

I just re-read this and don't like it! Since every one else has an opinion.... I do too!

If you can't support, then don't post! Cunning, baffling and powerful is this dis-ease!!! Those of you who think ya got it licked.... watch out!

Katie..... post away! This is an OPEN forum and one day it will save your life! Mine is only saved this minute cuz I'm not pickin' up and can be here. You're part of MY recovery today!

Sobriety comes in all forms, shapes and sizes! Take what YOU want and LEAVE the rest.

For today.... get doggies/pets squared away and get your DESERVING lil bootie into rehab, K? Money.... it can be made/spent again! You are worthwhile and in dire need of help so pls get it, Katie Bear!:ghug:ghug

[Aysha]

Yea..that is a little too extreme IMO.

I have many poeple wash their hands of me here too Katie. Alot of old timers that once were my biggest support. I understand why they backed away. And thats why I feel for you.
Its not easy to do this by any means. And I doubt anyone here had it the first time. But you have to understand too. That we are all in recovery or trying here and IMO alot of the responses are coming from experience and love. And sometimes people get shook in their own recovery with frustration when they see someone like you and I who just dont seem to get it. So sometimes they need to just step away for their own benefit.

I think you want to get help. I think your screaming for it. But I dont think your to that point of doing whatever it takes to save yourself.
I know how all that financial stuff and other lifes obligations can effect your decision right now. Its what has kept me from getting the proper help.

But I do relize now that all that isnt goin to matter if I am just holed up in my house wasted all the time. What good is it? And it most definately isnt goin to matter if your dead.

Please rethink all of this. Actually...Just do one thing. Seriously ask yourself. Do you want to get help at any cost? Is your health and your life worth a few dollars difference for treatment? Can you really put a price on your life?

I think your friend is hurting you more than helping in all honesty. I am sure their intentions are good. MAybe..But seems to me since he got there your whole outlook went to ****.

Just dont stop trying. However long it takes. Dont give up.

[flutter]

Originally Posted by AlkalikeH

Chances are that skydivers might die through skydiving. Might sound heck healthier than a bottle of Jack every night but the backpack might not open that one time, and you are f*cked.

I had the "I'm gonna die anyways" attitude for a long time. That would have simply killed me sooner. Yes, lots of things can kill you, but I will NOT encourage people to kill themselves any sooner by ignoring the gravity of this type of death.

Yep, I'll die, but I'm choosing not to die from drinking. I should have on 8/31 when I was in the ER with a .568 BAC, I'm choosing not to do that again. I like to encourage people to live, and for as long and as healthy as they can, because *usually* that is the encouragement people are seeking.