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ananda · 05-12-2008, 02:07 PM

Butter - xtra hugs for you today - you are a person worth self forgiveness....come join us at the bottoms tonight! I'll be there in about 4 hours!

BUTTERFLY-7 · 05-12-2008, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by stone

Lol, Butter you are a sweet person, I can understand how your thread getting hi-jacked could **** you off, but it isnt important. You got lots of answers, you are loved here.

I started a thread called Bottoms, it got hi-jacked so much it is now 70 parts long.

Oh: I know I Got allots of answers, but thats not the
Point It's about respecting everybody's personal Issues
That's what is all about.

stone · 05-12-2008, 02:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BUTTERFLY-7

Oh: I know I Got allots of answers, but thats not the
Point It's about respecting everybody's personal Issues
That's what is all about.

I know hun. You are not wrong, I am just advising you chill about it.

BUTTERFLY-7 · 05-12-2008, 02:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stone

I know hun. You are not wrong, I am just advising you chill about it.

Chill about it,Oh: no stone I'm com trust me
I just like my respect thats all no heart feelings
this thread was very personal and Important to me

I never get to share on any level of my personal life,

stone · 05-12-2008, 02:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BUTTERFLY-7

Chill about it,Oh: no stone I'm com trust me
I just like my respect thats all no heart feelings
this thread was very personal and Important to me

I never get to share on any level of my personal life,

I understand. Wanna fight?

BUTTERFLY-7 · 05-12-2008, 03:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stone

I understand. Wanna fight?

Your funny you don't want to
fight a South Bronx girl

stone · 05-12-2008, 03:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BUTTERFLY-7

Your funny you don't want to
fight a South Bronx girl

Dee74 · 05-12-2008, 03:29 PM

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This is precisely the kind of me me me BS that is pushing me out the door here.

No-one died and made me anything BF.
I'm not the one telling people where they can and can't post.

I'm not going to ignore anyone if I think I can help, even if they do hijack a thread.

Believe or not, I believe we're here to help others even more than we are to help ourselves.

I'll happily ignore all your threads from now on

D

Quote:

Originally Posted by BUTTERFLY-7

O.K Now I'm stepping in, in away Dee, K.j. is right
she posted her threads some where else
and we all gave her undivided attention, I don't mind
what went down, but I was the one posting for Help
on "My" Issues on 'My" Pain we all need advice and help
by the way who DIE and may you God you said that you
think I had receive enough advice or support on my issues
is my thread not yours not no ones, least is a very good friend of mines I don't mine her she is going trough a ruff time

so lets all get a grip here with out offending any one,
no one here is the "Head Mob" we are all individuals with
the same common cold(Disease of Addiction)

I never invade no ones thread or disrespect no one this is ridiculous we were talking about My Pain whats wrong with you Guy's have some consideration this is my freaking Life on the Line

***Morning Glory*** · 05-12-2008, 04:29 PM

I remember once when I was young and a single parent raising my kids by myself. I was severely depressed and often felt suicidal. The guilt I had over my husband's suicide was paralyzing me.

I picked the kids up from school and was crying and barely able to stay alive. I was driving them home and suddenly saw a young man lying down in the middle of the road. He fell off his bike and seemed mildly mentally retarded. He did not get up so I assisted him and convinced him to get moving and get out of the street and get to safety.

When I got back into the car I noticed I felt so much better than I had before this happened. Helping someone else also helped me. That young man hijacked the street that day and I was so thankful I never forgot that day 25 years ago. It was a lesson in life I learned.

If I had honked my horn or driven around him that day I may have never learned that lesson.

**historyteach** · 05-12-2008, 04:30 PM

Butterfly,

The way to forgive yourself is to make amends and to never let it happen again. Some have mentioned the Steps. Others may think of a priest or a minister to confess to, in order to gain forgiveness, which will lead to self forgiving. Someone did mention G*D's forgiveness.

There is no concept of "sin" in Judaism. What Christians call "sin" we call "missing the mark." Think of it as an archer, who misses the target, ok? What does the archer do? They try again. And they keep trying, until they get it right; until they hit the bulls eye. Teshuva, turning around, is what we do. When we miss the mark, we turn around and try again, until we hit that bulls eye. Then, we are living as G*D wants us to live.

Many believe that confession to another person heals the soul. That's what therapy is about. That's what sponsors are for too, in a 12 Step program. Or a priest/minister in Christianity. But, you can confess to G*D. Make it real; promise to make teshuva -- to turn around. And keep trying until you are capable of never ever doing the same type of thing again. Then, you are in G*D's grace. Then, there is the peace of self forgiveness.

G*D loves you, Butterfly. And so do we.

You are a strong woman.

Shalom!

**51anna** · 05-12-2008, 04:41 PM

Again, let's get back on track and focus on Butterfly and her issues.

And, let's think about Morning Glory's post, and that we can learn something in the most unexpected situations. Keep an open mind.

gypsy tears · 05-12-2008, 04:54 PM

Forgiveness sometimes takes time Butterfly. You will get it when you're tired of being in pain with yourself.

IO Storm · 05-12-2008, 05:20 PM

Dear Butterfly:

The Bible says that when we ask..(and I know you have from previous posts)

for forgiveness...that God removes (sin) from us as far as the East is from

the West. I like the way Historyteach puts it...the older Bible scripts do

decsribe (sin) as "missing or veering from the mark"...

This is what I had to do myself....really. It might help you as well...

Affirm to yourself...whenever you think of those sordid things from the past...

Say aloud..."God! Thank You that You have removed all these things from me

as far as the East is from the West!"

Folks might hear and think you are nuts..but who cares?

When I did that...a peace came into my soul...when I began to affirm that

forgiveness for that that I had asked..and that He had promised...

Remember dear Butterfly...

God is no respector of persons...He does not esteem (anyone) higher or

lower than anyone else. We are the same..dearest children in His sight

and in His providence and loving care.

We sure love you...I do.

Start loving yourself....I know the Father does.

IO

BUTTERFLY-7 · 05-13-2008, 08:05 AM

Dear

ee no one is pushing you away whats pushing you away
is your arrogance, and Ignorance, and lack of understanding,&respect,
tour's others, sometimes to understand someone else weather it be least, or me, or who ever, It takes tolerance something you lack of

If you fail to understand what my thread was about, and how
Important was to me, that's your problem But we are all sick individuals so they say, I forgive you and trust me your words has
inspire me to understand&love the Addict, and it's not
about Me, It's about my recovery and "Keeping the Focus on Me"you want
to play savior you go ahead do it on your terms not mines O.K.

if you took it offensive then kiddo the one who needs to grow is you
your words Don't brake me or make me It just makes me Stronger
If you Don't want to reply my threads and Ignore them thats on you
I surely wont be missing them,trust me

I hope one day you come to understand everybody on every Level
no one said not to help least I waited for everybody to help her
trust me I'm very ware of least journey, and we are not making
acception of people you said to j.k. that he was grading pain
you my dear on the other hand are not respecting members and
you are grading least situation with minds why cause I'm not
going through what she is going trough Now who is Grading
around here when you talk on behalf of others talk with knowledge

and I still have Luv for you,Peace

**51anna** · 05-13-2008, 08:10 AM

Okay, I've had enough of this thread.

It's closed.

05-12-2008, 04:29 PM	#34 (permalink)
*Morning Glory* Administrator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: CA Posts: 1,112	I remember once when I was young and a single parent raising my kids by myself. I was severely depressed and often felt suicidal. The guilt I had over my husband's suicide was paralyzing me. I picked the kids up from school and was crying and barely able to stay alive. I was driving them home and suddenly saw a young man lying down in the middle of the road. He fell off his bike and seemed mildly mentally retarded. He did not get up so I assisted him and convinced him to get moving and get out of the street and get to safety. When I got back into the car I noticed I felt so much better than I had before this happened. Helping someone else also helped me. That young man hijacked the street that day and I was so thankful I never forgot that day 25 years ago. It was a lesson in life I learned. If I had honked my horn or driven around him that day I may have never learned that lesson.
	__________________ Pro 11:14 Where no counsel is, the people fall: but in the multitude of counselors there is safety.

05-12-2008, 04:30 PM	#35 (permalink)
historyteach To Life! Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: centered again Posts: 7,449	Butterfly, The way to forgive yourself is to make amends and to never let it happen again. Some have mentioned the Steps. Others may think of a priest or a minister to confess to, in order to gain forgiveness, which will lead to self forgiving. Someone did mention GD's forgiveness. There is no concept of "sin" in Judaism. What Christians call "sin" we call "missing the mark." Think of it as an archer, who misses the target, ok? What does the archer do? They try again. And they keep trying, until they get it right; until they hit the bulls eye. Teshuva, turning around, is what we do. When we miss the mark, we turn around and try again, until we hit that bulls eye. Then, we are living as GD wants us to live. Many believe that confession to another person heals the soul. That's what therapy is about. That's what sponsors are for too, in a 12 Step program. Or a priest/minister in Christianity. But, you can confess to GD. Make it real; promise to make teshuva -- to turn around. And keep trying until you are capable of never ever doing the same type of thing again. Then, you are in GD's grace. Then, there is the peace of self forgiveness. G*D loves you, Butterfly. And so do we. You are a strong woman. Shalom!
	__________________

05-12-2008, 04:41 PM	#36 (permalink)
51anna Forum Leader Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Dancing in the Light Posts: 9,607	Again, let's get back on track and focus on Butterfly and her issues. And, let's think about Morning Glory's post, and that we can learn something in the most unexpected situations. Keep an open mind.
	__________________ Anna "I don't know what the future is holding in store I don't know where Im going, Im not sure where Ive been Theres a spirit that guides me, a light that shines for me My life is worth the living, I don't need to see the end." John Denver

05-12-2008, 05:20 PM	#38 (permalink)
IO Storm IO Storm Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Southern California Posts: 5,207	Dear Butterfly: The Bible says that when we ask..(and I know you have from previous posts) for forgiveness...that God removes (sin) from us as far as the East is from the West. I like the way Historyteach puts it...the older Bible scripts do decsribe (sin) as "missing or veering from the mark"... This is what I had to do myself....really. It might help you as well... Affirm to yourself...whenever you think of those sordid things from the past... Say aloud..."God! Thank You that You have removed all these things from me as far as the East is from the West!" Folks might hear and think you are nuts..but who cares? When I did that...a peace came into my soul...when I began to affirm that forgiveness for that that I had asked..and that He had promised... Remember dear Butterfly... God is no respector of persons...He does not esteem (anyone) higher or lower than anyone else. We are the same..dearest children in His sight and in His providence and loving care. We sure love you...I do. Start loving yourself....I know the Father does. IO
	__________________ "God holds me still in the eye of the Storm"

05-13-2008, 08:05 AM	#39 (permalink)
BUTTERFLY-7 Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: bronx,ny Posts: 874	Dearee no one is pushing you away whats pushing you away is your arrogance, and Ignorance, and lack of understanding,&respect, tour's others, sometimes to understand someone else weather it be least, or me, or who ever, It takes tolerance something you lack of If you fail to understand what my thread was about, and how Important was to me, that's your problem But we are all sick individuals so they say, I forgive you and trust me your words has inspire me to understand&love the Addict, and it's not about Me, It's about my recovery and "Keeping the Focus on Me"you want to play savior you go ahead do it on your terms not mines O.K. if you took it offensive then kiddo the one who needs to grow is you your words Don't brake me or make me It just makes me Stronger If you Don't want to reply my threads and Ignore them thats on you I surely wont be missing them,trust me I hope one day you come to understand everybody on every Level no one said not to help least I waited for everybody to help her trust me I'm very ware of least journey, and we are not making acception of people you said to j.k. that he was grading pain you my dear on the other hand are not respecting members and you are grading least situation with minds why cause I'm not going through what she is going trough Now who is Grading around here when you talk on behalf of others talk with knowledge and I still have Luv for you,Peace

05-12-2008, 02:07 PM	#26 (permalink)
ananda I'm just your imaginary friend Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Somewhere Left of Left Posts: 2,447	Butter - xtra hugs for you today - you are a person worth self forgiveness....come join us at the bottoms tonight! I'll be there in about 4 hours!

05-12-2008, 04:54 PM	#37 (permalink)
gypsy tears Yoga Rebel Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: in pain Posts: 7,480	Forgiveness sometimes takes time Butterfly. You will get it when you're tired of being in pain with yourself.

05-13-2008, 08:10 AM	#40 (permalink)
51anna Forum Leader Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Dancing in the Light Posts: 9,607	Okay, I've had enough of this thread. It's closed.
	__________________ Anna "I don't know what the future is holding in store I don't know where Im going, Im not sure where Ive been Theres a spirit that guides me, a light that shines for me My life is worth the living, I don't need to see the end." John Denver