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Old 03-19-2006, 04:37 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Angry I am trapped!

I almost live in my bed. Some days I can sleep 16 hours. If I have to wake up any earlier then I naturally do (like to go to school) I cry. Because I know that I'm back to reality and am forced to do the same old thing everyday which seems SO hard for me to do!

I am extremely irritable. If some kind of accident happens I will yell and scream. I get stressed out easily and cry. I give up easily and I'm unmotivated. My life seems like it's always going to be the same, and it'll never be in my favor... I don't know what to do, or how this came about or what it is, all I know is I don't like it. Sometimes I wish my life would be over. Though I wouldn't have the heart to kill myself, and I'm scared sh*tless of dieing. Just sometimes it feel like it would be better, if I never woke up.
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I am not qualified to make a diganosis or anything like that, however what you are describing sounds like you are suffering from depression. Do you or anyone in your family have a history of depression? Have you ever sought treatment for it?

I suffered from horrible depression untill my first suicide attempt. It wasn't untill then that I began to get the help I needed, including starting on medication. There are many different treatment opitions available.

You need to seek help, ASAP, especially since you are having feelings of wanting to die. Do you have a primary doctor? He or she can help give you referrals as to what is available in your area. You can call your health insurance plan and see what doctors and/or therapists are available. If you don't have any of there, you can try sites such as NAMI, which will also help direct you where to start.

I don't know what else to say.....at my lowest point, nothing anyone said or did really helped. Everyone kept saying how "it would get better" and to not give up. I didn't believe them, and was ready to give up. But I read this once, and it helped me decide to really focus on getting better and making changes. I will share it with you.

Why is there hope?

There is hope because no one of us is ever a finished product. There is hope because no matter what you believe right now you do not have to hold to that forever if it is not working for you. Whatever we do or say that causes chaos and pain in our lives we can learn to stop choosing. Change is scary, but, if you can open yourself to the reality that change is what enables us to grow and to heal our pain than you can learn to dream. Once you learn to dream and you begin to envision something other than what you currently know or what you have always known --the way you experience your life and your relationships -- then you can also embrace the reality of hope.

Okay...so right here and now, you are reading this and you may well say to yourself, but I can't control myself because I hurt too much, or I need to too much, or no one understands, or no one cares and so forth. Choose to take in "reality" and push out the "illusions" of old. YES you can control yourself. YES you can take back the control over the emotions, namely fear and hurt, that fuel the anger and the rage of your young and innocent inner-child that so have over-run you until now. HOPE! You are in control of the very choices that mold and shape your life, whether you consiously accept this or not. You have the choice to STOP being a victim of the past and to start being a person who has survived it. Work to heal from it. THE ONLY WAY TO HEAL FROM IT IS TO GREIVE it and then LET IT GO AND CHOOSE TO MOVE ON Herein lies so very much hope!

Hope and the reality of bringing your hopes and dreams to fruition depends upon you. Yes YOU! Each of us is responsible for who it is that we allow ourselves to be once we reach adulthood. You can choose to let go of the patterns and the dynamics that have kept you a prisoner of your pain. Free yourself from the chains of BPD. The way to begin is by learning how to hope. Hope is a key ingredient in faith. It will take both hope and faith to give you the strength that is required to courageously step out of all that you've known and to reach for the mental health that you deserve.

Give hope a chance -- what do you have to lose?

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Yes Butterfly Kisses...you are going through what a physciatrist will most likely diagnoses as Major Depressive Dissorder or episode. You MUST seek treatment with a good psychiatrist and get yourself into weekly therapy sessions. If money is an issue or you dont' have health insurance then there are ways around that and programs available.

It is the most horrible place to be and I know that from experience. In the past year I have slept at much as 24 hours straight (without a brief waking to go to the bathroom and smoke a cigarrette).

Start getting your hands on as much reading material as possible about depression and major depression (there are different levels of depression, ya know, and the kind you are going through is what I and many others consider to be the worst kind). But it's not hopeless and it can and will get better. You have to believe that even though I know how hard that is.

I used all my time in bed to educate myself on mental illness as much as I possibly could. And don't let anyone (even yourself) convince you that you are just being lazy...you're not. It's a chemical imbalance...and no different than diabetis or any other physical illness.

I am bipolar...and when I was in college (around age 21 or 22) I had my first major depressive episode. I didn't know what was going one, but I knew that I was waking up every morning feeling like I had been ran over by a semi-truck a hundred times. I went to the campus wellness center and doctors about once a week and they prescribed anti-botic on top of anti-biotic for a never-ending sinus infection. The meds did nothing. Finally, a doc prescribed an anti-depressant, but b/c of a sort of phobia of pills I quit taking them after a month when I saw no improvement.

I ended up having to drop out of college and return home for a semester and a summer before going back.

I was fine for the next 7 years or so (except for a consistant mild depression for about 2 years) before the big one hit. I didn't know what was happening to me until I found this site and started talking to people. Everything came clear to me...I was bipolar. The year before my first major depression I had been manic and barely sleeping, but I or no one else had realized it.

And before this last one hit...I was manic for about 2 years and working 50-70 hours a week even though I rarely got paid for more than 40.

My 2nd major depression was much stronger and lasted longer than my first. If I had been diagnosed as bipolar that first time then I could have prepared and lessened the intensity of the enivitable.

Anyway, I'm not saying you are bipolar too, but it's something to rule out with a good psychiatrist.

I've been through hell and back this past 2 years, but my life is coming back together 100 percent better than I was before this past episode. Knowing what I know now, if I could rewind time and I had a choice of wether or not to go through all the torture of major depression or not....I would choose to go through it. Sounds odd, I know, but I have learned SO much by going through it and my future looks brighter now.

Just don't give up. I came very close a few times and it's not worth it. I believe everythign happens for a reason and there is always positive to be found in even the worst of circumstances.

Anyway, rest and relax and work on yourself and only you for now. Make that appointment with a psychiatrist and psychologist (for counseling) as soon as possible! THAT IS VERY IMPORTANT!!!!

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Old 03-19-2006, 10:40 PM   #4 (permalink)
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When I was younger I think I had PTSD from some abuse of a family member. I also had a mysterious physical illness that could never be diagnosed so they thought I was crazy and sent me to phychiatrists and I would go out on outings with these people to 'talk about it'. I also started taking Zoloft around the 5th grade which makes me think I was obviously diagnosed with depression but who knows...

anyways last year I was talking to my counseler at school she told me to talk to my doctor about depression because she thinks I have it. I told my grandma about it and it's like she's against it... "Do you seriously want to go back and talk to those weird people about your problems... do you want to go through all that again? Do you?" I don't know what her problem was. She was also the one to take me off of Zoloft after 2 weeks claiming "it doesn't work". I don't know what she's scared of?

And the lazy thing... she pounds that into me like a hammer. Always telling me I'm a lazy slob that doesn't do anything, which now she is threatening to kick me out to go live with my mom. which really makes me feel like crap because she didn't want me in the first place now my grandma is 'giving me back' after 12 years. you k now how bad that makes me feel? like I'm just a simple posession like a pet? it sucks, really sucks. and no one around me cares to help me...
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After I fight with my grandma she said "I wish you would go away and never come back" So when she left to the store I tried over doseing on advil, which I didn't know wasn't lethal. I took the whole bottle them some sleepin pills too. I freaked out when my heart started to race and my friend was there and called 911 and they came out and got me.

The guys in the ambulence asked me what I took and basicly laughed, telling me it wasn't going to kill me. Then they talked about how many stupid people go on and do the same thing I did and made me drink this black tar stuff. I got to the hospital with the IVs and **** and my grandma wanted to come see me and I wouldn't let her. When I left later that night she was laughing at me about it, how I took pills that wern't even going to kill me. It made me feel like ****.
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Honey... ignorant people don't mean harm.... but they can still do harmful things if we let them. Your grandmother loves you, I would bet on it. But her inability to understand and her fear of depression is causing YOU harm.

As difficult as it may be, you might want to consider talking to that school counselor again, reiterating what you wrote here. I can't think of a better set up for relapse than not taking care of your health.

If the counselor cannot help, perhaps he/she can help you get to a mental health clinic or physician who can.

I know you aren't fully "adult" by all the laws ... but I do also think you may need to take care of your own needs when others don't/can't in order to get better.

Keep posting... people here care. (((Butterfly)))
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Egad - we were posting at the same time.

It sounds like your grandmother's fear may have tipped her over from being over bearing to down right cruel.

I hope she laughed because she didn't know how to talk to you... but it was still cruel.

I am sorry, Ash.... Sending prayers for you right now.... ((((Butterfly))))
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She didn't actually laugh. But she joked about it with my mom once. Usually when they get together, they are drunk. I probably shouldn't say so much about there personal lives but my grandma is a severe alchoholic, i'm not sure if that has anything to do with it but maybe if she was sober she would not say some of the things she says.

we don't really talk about anything. everytime i do, she pounds me on it. i'm never good enough for her. i guess she wants that cute little innocent 6 year old that use to go to church. then after i went to drugs everything changed. i don't know what else I can do but to stay sober for her, and myself... other then that I will have to deal with her untill i move out, whenever that is...
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it would help if i could actually get my butt out of bed and to school so i could talk to the counseler... but it really seems impossible to do even that.
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Yeah... I'd forgotten that you mentioned before about the alcoholism. I am sorry. And I suppose you do have to "endure" some things, but not this much.

I would still urge you to go to the school counselor, the school nurse, a trusted church person (youth pastor, maybe?) or other trusted and SOBER adult. You might very well need to be treated for depression, and not getting it treated is like not having heart disease or diabetes treated... it is unthinkable.
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Reading your posts took me back to being 16....scared and sad and alone and attempting suicide so many times I was always being acommitted to psych wards...even got sent to the State hospital 3x's....people around me were pretty incompetent..........because I was being committed for 90 days at atime I would geta lawyer......he told me I deserved to be sent to the state hopsital.."for what I did"................my parents were too busy trying to kill themselves and kill each other to do anything, the cops that arrested me each suicide attempt either hated my guts..and told me what a bother I was or wanted to sleep with me....to 'make me feel better'.............I was told going into the hopsital for mental health help was just checking out.....was just a lil mini vacation.....the doctors I had were no better....my dad came to visit at the hopsital, started a fight with my doctor..the doctor yanked me out of the visit, a nurse came with a shot....................I passed out...they put me in one of the bedrooms, locked the door and said your family visits are over!

It seemed not one person around me could help...or would help.........I too felt trapped and scared AND HOPELESS.

I know how tough it is to hang on when even there seems no help is there or when getting help you are verbally harrassed and ridiculed..YOU deserve relief..and help...I wish I could scoop you up...take you to a good doctor, get you a reputable therapist and let you just talk and pour your heart out....no judgment, no ridicule....just the opportunity to be around a support system that brings you up, not tears you down..............this site is great for support and help...but you need face to face support so very much.

My prayers are with you my dear. I know there IS hope, and help..I know it isn't easy though. I am 34 now, 2 children, married..........overcame a 20 yr addiction..so I know it can get better. But you must take care of yourself...don't let anyone tell you you are weak, or stupid!! You are not, you are a beautiful person surrounded by the brutal ugliness of ignorance...and intolerance.

KEEP POSTING HERE!!! Please don't give up.....you can have your dreams, you can get help. We're all here for you. Staying sober is a huge step you've taken!! Bless your heart.............proud of ya for that decision you have made.

LIke Bigsis, go to a school counselor, a pastor, someone that won't judge you and make you feel bad for seeking help.

You are very brave and courageous to be seeking help at all..........I never tried to sober up in my teens..I didn't think the drugs were the problem...so you are very wise, and my sincerest prayers and warmest hugs are being sent your way right now!
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There are a ton of stigmas attached to depression of any kind and it just sounds like your grandma made up her mind a long time ago about her opinions of mental illness and/or depression. No adult should even be talked to that way you explain here. I'm so sorry that there are people who don't understand or don't care to even try to understand.

I've kept track of several threads and here are some topics (and their links) that might interest you:

Year 1 thread is called "Please help. I'm in the throws of a bipolar episode and i'm scared!" and can be accessed through this link: http://www.soberrecovery.com/forums...ead.php?t=36767

36 Ways to reduce stress
http://www.soberrecovery.com/forums...ead.php?t=69176

LOTS of information for friends and family of the bipolar/manic depressive
http://www.soberrecovery.com/forums...ead.php?t=69079

Alcohol causes anxiety disorders
http://www.soberrecovery.com/forums...ead.php?t=67820

Smoking and mental illness
http://www.soberrecovery.com/forums...ead.php?t=67120

The Cruise Crusade
http://www.soberrecovery.com/forums...ead.php?t=62973

My lonely and crying spells - April 2004
http://www.soberrecovery.com/forums...ead.php?t=55565

My book list
http://www.soberrecovery.com/forums...ead.php?t=44544


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Famous Bipolars and others -- the creativity connection
http://www.soberrecovery.com/forums...ead.php?t=68847


You've definetly got to check that last one out b/c it also talks about the famously depressed too...Maybe you could even print a copy for your grandma and give it to her to take a look at. You're not alone and you're not lazy...you are depressed and at this point in time you don't have any way to change that.
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depression and bipolar info and such:
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About Shame
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All about depression
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the winter blues
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are u highly sensitive?
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Self love and self-esteem
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Feeling like you belong
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Boundaries?
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Finding our Enchanted self - fairy tales can come true
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Poetry as Therapy
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If nothing else...you might skim over this bit of info:

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okay....i've FINALLY found something that describes my physical tiredness and heaviness. Aparetly i am not experiencing a major depression, but rather an Atypical depression...

Here's the info for me to keep tabs on:

Atypical Depression Actually Very Typical
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Correct Treatment May Depend on Proper Diagnosis
Despite the name, atypical depression is actually the most common subtype, according to Dr. Andrew A. Nierenberg, associate director of the depression clinical and research program at Massachusetts General Hospital, Boston. In a 1998 study, he and his associates found that 42% of participants had atypical depression, 12% had melancholic depression, 14% had both depression subtypes, and the rest had neither. "It's more common than we all think. There's no doubt we underrecognize it,"said Dr. Nierenberg.1

Making a correct diagnosis of this subtype is critical in providing the patient with effective treatment. Although SSRIs and other newer medications are often the first line choice for depression treatment due to their favorable side-effect profiles, very little is yet known about how well these work for the patient with atypical depression. What is known is that patients respond well to MAOIs, but not to tricyclics. Data on newer medications is sparse and inconclusive.2 How many patients out there may be suffering through drug trial after drug trial simply because their physician does not know which medication best treats atypical depressions or does not recognize this distinct subtype?

What Is Atypical Depression?

In addition to the core symptoms of depression, atypical depression is defined by the ability to feel better temporarily in response to a positive life event, plus any two of the following criteria: excessive sleep, overeating, a feeling of heaviness in the limbs and a sensitivity to rejection.

Patients with atypical depression tend to have an earlier age of onset than those with other subtypes (it often first appears in the teenage years). These patients are also likely to have a history of social phobia, avoidant personalities and a history of body dysmorphic disorder.3

How to Treat It

Current data suggests that those with atypical depression will respond better to MAOIs (monoamine oxidase inhibitors) like phenelzine than they will to imipramine (a tricyclic). Dietary restrictions and side-effects remain a problem. At the present time, research is concentrating on finding newer medications with better side-effect profiles to which these patients will also get a good response.4

Although more research is needed, it seems that patients may also obtain an adequate response with the SSRIs, but not all studies seem to back up this assertion. In one study, the SSRI Prozac was found to have a response only equal to imipramine, a tricyclic whose comparative response to phenelzine is well-known.5

Clinical trials are currently being arranged to test the efficacy of a new drug, Gepirone, at Columbia University in New York City. Preliminary studies seemed to indicate that it is effective for those with atypical depression. This drug is not yet FDA approved. If you are interested in these trials, please visit Dr.


Interestingly, however, drug treatment may not be necessary at all. A study conducted in 1999 found that patients receiving cognitive behavioral therapy responded just as well as patients receiving the MAOI phenelzine. 58% of patients in both groups responded, in comparison to only 28% of patients in the placebo group.6

Implications for the Patient

It is important to see a psychiatrist rather than your primary care physician for treatment. Not all depressions are alike nor do they respond to the same medications. A physician in general practice is not likely to have the experience necessary to differentiate between subtypes of depression or to know which treatment choices are more likely to work. A patient may suffer unnecessarily as his doctor tries all the wrong medications. Given the very nature of depression, this only complicates the patient's already depressed feelings. If the patient is forced by insurance or financial circumstances to see a primary care physician for their treatment, they must do the leg work to make up the deficit in their physician's knowledge. This is not as it should be, certainly, but until there is a radical change in our healthcare systems, it is necessary. The educated healthcare consumer who takes an active role in his or her treatment is less likely to slip through the diagnostic cracks.
I don't remember the actual Web link to that info....but anyway...


one last one:
Depression cure for women only (pg 39)
http://www.soberrecovery.com/forums...ead.php?t=16519

Also...go to www.nami.org for a TON of info on depression and treatment options.

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I feel for you, Butterfly. I suffer from bipolar disorder myself, and my father took a similar approach to me. He always acted like I was making excuses, and that I should just try harder in life. Some people just don't understand, and older adults have an old school mentality when it comes to depression and such.

But the fact is that depression is nothing to take lightly. It kills people every day. You sound like your in considerable pain on the inside, and I know how terrible that really is. Much like some of the good advice already posted, I would highly recommend seeing a doctor about this issue. There is medicine and therapy that can help a lot. I wish the best for you and will keep you in my prayers.
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butterfly...you have secribed how i feel....you have aslo described some of my childhood and younger days...hang in there..thre is a welth of support here we could both do with reading some of this stuff throug a few times......

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