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myles1 · 12-28-2002, 08:28 AM

Hi,
Does anyone here know anything about Borderline Personality Disorder?

Thanks

Ngaire

paleo · 12-28-2002, 06:13 PM

I was recently diagnosed with borderline split personality disorder through the Veterans Administration Hospital. Best I can tell it is when you behave one way but think another way, and you never know which way would be the best.

12-29-2002, 01:59 AM

Hi paleo,

I just wanted to welcome you to the forum.

Hugs,
MG

myles1 · 12-29-2002, 06:26 AM

Thanks alot Paleo.

Ngaire

myles1 · 12-29-2002, 06:26 AM

Are there meds for that disorder?

Ngaire

paleo · 12-29-2002, 09:54 PM

Thankyou Morning Glory for the welcome aboard. I have so much to talk about and not sure of my next step. Can you help with some guideance?

paleo · 12-29-2002, 10:16 PM

Ngaire you are welcome. I'm not to sure about medicine for this disorder but I do know that therapy is recommended. My doc has me on anxiety meds 3 times day very low dose. I was hospitalized for 26 days this year, I got out on Nov.15,2002 and my beloved Dalmation 'Casey' died in my arms Dec.09,2002. I've always taken the "high road" in my life versus the low road, always tried my best to do the right thing and yet I feel betrayed. I try to be good yet I want to be bad at times, seems like I don't know who I am at times, but do we ever know ourselves? Therapy can help because I want help, I want to understand why I am the way I am. So far this is the only therapy I've had since the hospital stay. Thank you.

myles1 · 12-30-2002, 12:48 PM

You are welcome and thankyou very much for your replies.

Ngaire

12-30-2002, 07:48 PM

paleo,

Feel free to post on this forum or the PTSD forum or any other forum that meets your need. We can always use some extra advice too.

There is a lot of good information on the PTSD board that I've found on the web. It might address some of your anxiety. I'm not sure if you strugle with substance abuse, but there are boards for that too.

We are a very non-judgemental bunch here. I think the main reason for that is because we know our own faults and weaknesses.

I find that the most helpful thing for me is to know I'm not alone.

You're not alone either. We are all here and love to vent and offer support.

Please jump in.

Hugs,
MG

paleo · 12-30-2002, 10:01 PM

To MG and Nagaire, See the big grins? Both of you put them there today, it's nice to smile again. Thank you for being you. paleo

myles1 · 12-31-2002, 06:13 AM

Nice to know we put a smile on your face

.

Ngaire

texasmamacita · 12-31-2002, 11:30 PM

Hi-
It's nice to know I am not the only one confused by these things too. I am 32 and have been living with manic/depressive, bipolar disorder all my life. The problem with mood disorders is that they are so hard to properly diagnose. I thought until recenty myself that bipolar and borderline personality disorder were the same. I have done a lot of research on the net
trying to learn more about bipolar in order to help myself, and feel less alone. I was misdiagnosed for so many years, on and off so many meds....and been to doctors since i was 4. I always thought I was just a little different than other people. And sometimes I feel like a crazy person and other times I am completely "normal".
As far as the info that I found, they are similar creatures, but I read that borderline personality disorder wasn't as severe. Although they do have a lot of same symptoms. They have great links here, and I have learned a lot through those too. I take effexor and risperdal right now.
And this site is a good place to read, learn, write.
Sorry about the novel-I'm new here and learning to post.
Thanks,
Texasmamacita

myles1 · 01-01-2003, 07:55 AM

Hi,

I'm definitely not an expert on these disorders but I was under the impression that Persality Disorder and Schizophrenia were quite similar?

Ngaire

paleo · 01-01-2003, 02:18 PM

Hello folks, A Happy New Year to you all. The medicine I was taking was Zoloft @ 200 mg a day since 1996. I've noticed the past year I haven't felt like I should. My doctor changed me to VENLAFAXINE @ 50 mg for depression and LORAZEPAM for anxiety. I feel like it's working. I am 43 with MS,high blood pressure,Eagles syndrone,migraine headaches,blind spells,ankles turn on me alot,knees go whatever way they feel like. I'm tired of medicine and I'm really tired of hurting bth mentally and body wise. I want to work but I never know how I will feel the next morning. I am not reliable anymore. And I am ANGRY ! I have so much to give but don't know how because I hurt. Percocet works and only take it if I am really hurting bad, like I can't walk without pain only. I never abuse it for fear I will build up a tolerance to it. But my doctor here won't give it to me, just Codeine 3 and that does nothing for the pain. When I worked I would buy 3/4 lbs. of pot for the pain, at least it dulled my senses for a while. I stopped all that in July 2002 and my pain just intensified. I must get my depression in check so I can deal with the pain my body has. I love life so my struggle goes on each day.

ITHINKICAN · 01-01-2003, 05:54 PM

myles1

yes they are

ITHINKICAN · 01-01-2003, 08:01 PM

hello guys & gals
I was trying to pull some links over to share but I can't seem to get them to come up at this time

Schizophrenia is were someone lives in fantasy and not reality & at times can't tell the differince, can be very violent without proper
meds(or with) depends on a lot of things. I'm not in any way shape or form a doctor

Love ya & take care

I'll try and get the sites and send later

myles1 · 01-02-2003, 07:11 AM

Hi ITHINKICAN and everyone,

My question about Borderline Personality Disorder and Schizophrenia is this:

In Borderline Personality Disorder apparently there is a "paranoid ideation" and with shizophrenia there is a "paranoid delusion".

What is the difference between them, and if someone has a paranoid delusion as in the case of shizophrenia can they manipulate people with their delusion?

It would seem to me that if their delusion was real to them they wouldn't be able to use it as a tool of manipulation but possibly in a case of a paranoid ideation they would as an ideation is only an "idea" .

Just my thoughts.

Ngaire

texasmamacita · 01-02-2003, 10:54 AM

myles1

Sorry I can't remember the site where I saw the borderline and bi-polar symtoms compared side by side. but the National Institute for Mental Health site would probably have the info you need. Or the National Alliance for Mental Illness. Good luck.

Texasmamacita

LauriKH · 01-16-2003, 07:26 PM

Borderline personality describes those who have alot of uncertainty about many basic life issues such as self-image, personal values, friendships, and sexual orientation. They tend to see everything in terms of black and white. They can become very hostile when they dont get their way. They may regard another person as their best friend one moment and as their most hated enemy the next. They tend to act impulsively and often in self- destructive ways. They feel uncomfortable about being alone, and they often manipulate self-destructive impulses in an effort to control or solidify personal relationships. These people typically abuse stimulants to bring on feelings of pleasure, or they may abuse depressants to relieve distress. People with borderline personalities walk a thin emotional line: use of drugs and alcohol can push them over the edge.
More women suffer from this than men and it does run in families
I was diagnosed with this some years ago but it questionable if its an appropriate dx for me, at best i slip in and out of it. I AM bipolar, and these 2 disorders are often confused for the other. I do know that addictive people w/ borderline can recover once they are clean a year or more.
Medications used for this disorder are usually the same used to treat bipolar disorder.

myles1 · 01-17-2003, 09:19 AM

Hi,
Thanks alot for your info. I relate to what you said about behaving in self-destructive ways. So it's appropriate when I think that my ex is his own worst enemy.

Ngaire

12-28-2002, 08:28 AM	#1 (permalink)
myles1 Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Ayer's Cliff, Quebec Posts: 797	Borderline Personality Disorder...... Hi, Does anyone here know anything about Borderline Personality Disorder? Thanks Ngaire

12-28-2002, 06:13 PM	#2 (permalink)
paleo Paused Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Unionville Tennessee Posts: 6	Depression I was recently diagnosed with borderline split personality disorder through the Veterans Administration Hospital. Best I can tell it is when you behave one way but think another way, and you never know which way would be the best.

12-31-2002, 11:30 PM	#12 (permalink)
texasmamacita Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: dallas,TX Posts: 26	personality/bipolar disorder Hi- It's nice to know I am not the only one confused by these things too. I am 32 and have been living with manic/depressive, bipolar disorder all my life. The problem with mood disorders is that they are so hard to properly diagnose. I thought until recenty myself that bipolar and borderline personality disorder were the same. I have done a lot of research on the net trying to learn more about bipolar in order to help myself, and feel less alone. I was misdiagnosed for so many years, on and off so many meds....and been to doctors since i was 4. I always thought I was just a little different than other people. And sometimes I feel like a crazy person and other times I am completely "normal". As far as the info that I found, they are similar creatures, but I read that borderline personality disorder wasn't as severe. Although they do have a lot of same symptoms. They have great links here, and I have learned a lot through those too. I take effexor and risperdal right now. And this site is a good place to read, learn, write. Sorry about the novel-I'm new here and learning to post. Thanks, Texasmamacita

01-01-2003, 02:18 PM	#14 (permalink)
paleo Paused Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Unionville Tennessee Posts: 6	depression Hello folks, A Happy New Year to you all. The medicine I was taking was Zoloft @ 200 mg a day since 1996. I've noticed the past year I haven't felt like I should. My doctor changed me to VENLAFAXINE @ 50 mg for depression and LORAZEPAM for anxiety. I feel like it's working. I am 43 with MS,high blood pressure,Eagles syndrone,migraine headaches,blind spells,ankles turn on me alot,knees go whatever way they feel like. I'm tired of medicine and I'm really tired of hurting bth mentally and body wise. I want to work but I never know how I will feel the next morning. I am not reliable anymore. And I am ANGRY ! I have so much to give but don't know how because I hurt. Percocet works and only take it if I am really hurting bad, like I can't walk without pain only. I never abuse it for fear I will build up a tolerance to it. But my doctor here won't give it to me, just Codeine 3 and that does nothing for the pain. When I worked I would buy 3/4 lbs. of pot for the pain, at least it dulled my senses for a while. I stopped all that in July 2002 and my pain just intensified. I must get my depression in check so I can deal with the pain my body has. I love life so my struggle goes on each day.

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12-29-2002, 01:59 AM	#3 (permalink)
Morning Glory Guest Posts: n/a	Hi paleo, I just wanted to welcome you to the forum. Hugs, MG

12-29-2002, 06:26 AM	#4 (permalink)
myles1 Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Ayer's Cliff, Quebec Posts: 797	Thanks alot Paleo. Ngaire

12-29-2002, 06:26 AM	#5 (permalink)
myles1 Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Ayer's Cliff, Quebec Posts: 797	Are there meds for that disorder? Ngaire

12-29-2002, 09:54 PM	#6 (permalink)
paleo Paused Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Unionville Tennessee Posts: 6	Thankyou Morning Glory for the welcome aboard. I have so much to talk about and not sure of my next step. Can you help with some guideance?

12-29-2002, 10:16 PM	#7 (permalink)
paleo Paused Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Unionville Tennessee Posts: 6	Ngaire you are welcome. I'm not to sure about medicine for this disorder but I do know that therapy is recommended. My doc has me on anxiety meds 3 times day very low dose. I was hospitalized for 26 days this year, I got out on Nov.15,2002 and my beloved Dalmation 'Casey' died in my arms Dec.09,2002. I've always taken the "high road" in my life versus the low road, always tried my best to do the right thing and yet I feel betrayed. I try to be good yet I want to be bad at times, seems like I don't know who I am at times, but do we ever know ourselves? Therapy can help because I want help, I want to understand why I am the way I am. So far this is the only therapy I've had since the hospital stay. Thank you.

12-30-2002, 12:48 PM	#8 (permalink)
myles1 Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Ayer's Cliff, Quebec Posts: 797	You are welcome and thankyou very much for your replies. Ngaire

12-30-2002, 07:48 PM	#9 (permalink)
Morning Glory Guest Posts: n/a	paleo, Feel free to post on this forum or the PTSD forum or any other forum that meets your need. We can always use some extra advice too. There is a lot of good information on the PTSD board that I've found on the web. It might address some of your anxiety. I'm not sure if you strugle with substance abuse, but there are boards for that too. We are a very non-judgemental bunch here. I think the main reason for that is because we know our own faults and weaknesses. I find that the most helpful thing for me is to know I'm not alone. You're not alone either. We are all here and love to vent and offer support. Please jump in. Hugs, MG

12-30-2002, 10:01 PM	#10 (permalink)
paleo Paused Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Unionville Tennessee Posts: 6	To MG and Nagaire, See the big grins? Both of you put them there today, it's nice to smile again. Thank you for being you. paleo

12-31-2002, 06:13 AM	#11 (permalink)
myles1 Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Ayer's Cliff, Quebec Posts: 797	Nice to know we put a smile on your face . Ngaire

01-01-2003, 07:55 AM	#13 (permalink)
myles1 Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Ayer's Cliff, Quebec Posts: 797	Hi, I'm definitely not an expert on these disorders but I was under the impression that Persality Disorder and Schizophrenia were quite similar? Ngaire

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01-01-2003, 05:54 PM	#15 (permalink)
ITHINKICAN Paused Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Jacksonville, FL Posts: 7	myles1 yes they are

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ITHINKICAN Paused Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Jacksonville, FL Posts: 7	hello guys & gals I was trying to pull some links over to share but I can't seem to get them to come up at this time Schizophrenia is were someone lives in fantasy and not reality & at times can't tell the differince, can be very violent without proper meds(or with) depends on a lot of things. I'm not in any way shape or form a doctor Love ya & take care I'll try and get the sites and send later

01-02-2003, 07:11 AM	#17 (permalink)
myles1 Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Ayer's Cliff, Quebec Posts: 797	Hi ITHINKICAN and everyone, My question about Borderline Personality Disorder and Schizophrenia is this: In Borderline Personality Disorder apparently there is a "paranoid ideation" and with shizophrenia there is a "paranoid delusion". What is the difference between them, and if someone has a paranoid delusion as in the case of shizophrenia can they manipulate people with their delusion? It would seem to me that if their delusion was real to them they wouldn't be able to use it as a tool of manipulation but possibly in a case of a paranoid ideation they would as an ideation is only an "idea" . Just my thoughts. Ngaire

01-02-2003, 10:54 AM	#18 (permalink)
texasmamacita Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: dallas,TX Posts: 26	myles1 Sorry I can't remember the site where I saw the borderline and bi-polar symtoms compared side by side. but the National Institute for Mental Health site would probably have the info you need. Or the National Alliance for Mental Illness. Good luck. Texasmamacita

01-16-2003, 07:26 PM	#19 (permalink)
LauriKH Paused Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Dunmore,PA Posts: 1	Borderline personality describes those who have alot of uncertainty about many basic life issues such as self-image, personal values, friendships, and sexual orientation. They tend to see everything in terms of black and white. They can become very hostile when they dont get their way. They may regard another person as their best friend one moment and as their most hated enemy the next. They tend to act impulsively and often in self- destructive ways. They feel uncomfortable about being alone, and they often manipulate self-destructive impulses in an effort to control or solidify personal relationships. These people typically abuse stimulants to bring on feelings of pleasure, or they may abuse depressants to relieve distress. People with borderline personalities walk a thin emotional line: use of drugs and alcohol can push them over the edge. More women suffer from this than men and it does run in families I was diagnosed with this some years ago but it questionable if its an appropriate dx for me, at best i slip in and out of it. I AM bipolar, and these 2 disorders are often confused for the other. I do know that addictive people w/ borderline can recover once they are clean a year or more. Medications used for this disorder are usually the same used to treat bipolar disorder.

01-17-2003, 09:19 AM	#20 (permalink)
myles1 Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Ayer's Cliff, Quebec Posts: 797	Hi, Thanks alot for your info. I relate to what you said about behaving in self-destructive ways. So it's appropriate when I think that my ex is his own worst enemy. Ngaire