Alternative Therapies - SoberRecovery : Alcoholism Drug Addiction Help and Information

sliderslove · 10-31-2005, 12:07 PM

Hi,
I would really like to know of anybody else's experiences with alternative therapies for depression. Things other than meds and psychotherapy. (Not that those are bad!!)

I'm interested in acupuncture, meditation, herbal remedies, homeopathy, electo-acupuncture, aromatherapy, electro brain stimulation, magnetic stimulation (which has helped my back immensely!!) and anything else that might be considered an 'alternative' therapy.

I realize that going outside and running around with my dogs is 'alternative' therapy. Exercise is 'alternative' therapy. However, I'm looking for people with experiences in less mainstream therapies.

Thanks!!!

shutterbug · 10-31-2005, 02:10 PM

I'm interested too...

splendra · 10-31-2005, 02:33 PM

I am a person who has used alternative therapies for many years I also am an alternative health care provider.

I beat my addictions, depression, dyslexia, had my baby and all other health care concerns of mine have been addressed with alternative health care. My family doctor is a Naturopathic Dr. I haven't ever had a flu shot nor do I even get the flu. I haven't taken an antibiotic for over 30 years and I am very healthy....

sliderslove · 11-01-2005, 07:38 PM

Hi...Thanks for the response...Could you give more details, please? You said your doc is a Naturopathic Doctor. Could you explain a little bit about what that means?

Thanks!

splendra · 11-01-2005, 07:52 PM

Naturepaths treat illness with foods and herbs. Once my son had an earache and the doctor gave me a recipe for a soup that cleared it right up it was amazing...

shutterbug · 11-01-2005, 10:44 PM

that is cool....i recently discovered the true power of Vit. C (kinda slow, i guess). With the on set of my first major depression 8 years ago i developed chronic sinus infections that weren't receptive to ANY anti-biotics (and i tried a lot) so i was suffering for 1-12 months each time. The my therapist told me to take 1000mg of Vit. C when i'm sick. So as soon as i feel anything coming on...i start my regimen and i haven't been that kind of sick in nearly a year now!!!!!!.

So splendra.....are naturepaths real doctors? Can you look them up in the phone book? Are they expensive?

Would you mind sharing how you got rid of your depression (other than excersize of course which i know)?

I really like the whole idea of herbs and natural things to cure ailments....there's something mystlical feeling to it...ya know?

Like for example....is there really something to aromatherapy? I love using insence, but if there's something really to the whole aromatherapy thing then i'll start buying those specific scents....lol....i'm really pretty dumb about all these kinds of things.

Don W · 11-02-2005, 12:30 AM

Hey, I'm always interested in learning new things. Much of my recovery plan involves some of many programs. I know for example eating healthy foods like fruit helps me. Might have something to do with the vit. C like shutterbug mentioned. Splendra, do you know of any web sites that would help provide information? Thanks again, this sounds very interesting.

splendra · 11-02-2005, 05:41 AM

Naturepaths are no more expencive than a regular doctor and yes you can look them up in the phone book some of them even take insurance...

The doctor I go to is a MD + ND and even practices in the local teaching hospital..

And yes ND's are concidered doctors...

mateo · 11-04-2005, 06:51 AM

I had a major "mixed bipolar-type" episode (my first) last January. My shrink wanted me on various medicines-- for the long term. The side effects were not acceptable to me....I looked into alternatives...

I have had good results with homepathy. My practioner seemed to hit on a good remedy for me right away, and i have been drug free and doing well since then. I also take a few basic vitamin supplements.

Five · 11-04-2005, 06:52 AM

I would say Cognitive Behaviour Therapy - it is clinically proven to be effective for depression.

quercusalba · 11-04-2005, 08:29 AM

I would agree with Five about CBT. It works! That and exercise - the two biggest non-drug remedies for depression, in my experience.

pedagogue · 11-04-2005, 11:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by quercusalba

I would agree with Five about CBT. It works! That and exercise - the two biggest non-drug remedies for depression, in my experience.

My suggestion as well.

Simple things like proper nutrition and getting enough sleep go a long way in helping people.

-p

shutterbug · 11-04-2005, 08:00 PM

yeah about CBT....although none of the therapists i've been too actually practice this!

Mateo....would you mind sharing what all you take?

Excersice....definetly works for mild to moderate depression....but in my experience and i've even see a little literature also....with severe depression, if i can make myself do it that is, I am even more tired afterwards and down for the count for several days from expelling all of the tiny bit of energy i had reserved. Just my experinence.

Splendra....would you also share with us some of the remedies you use?

mateo · 11-08-2005, 06:36 AM

I take a basic multi-vitamin with iron, and a B-complex vitamin daily.

I was also taking a selenium supplement for a while (docs suggestion) to help my body deal with some exposure to heavy metals. (primarily lead paint poisoning).

pedagogue · 11-08-2005, 10:33 AM

Here is my soap box...feel free to read/skip, etc.

A big thing in the field today is labeling yourself "eclectic". It is almost like calling yourself that allows you to do pretty much what you want, without limiting yourself. It is important to understand what 'school' a prospective therapist believes in and uses. (Schools would be: CBT, Behaviorism, Analytical / Psychodynamic, Rogerian / Humanistic, etc) The majority of therapists will be CBT because of its ability to bring about more immediate change, and also because of insurance restrictions on session visits. It is NOT a one size fits all, even though some people try to make it so.

Personally I have a very Rogerian slant with some crossover into other areas for specific treatment requirements. For instance, CBT is great for managing certain symptoms of depression (negative thinking, etc), but it sometimes ignores deeper root causes of why you are the way you are. There can be some more non-traditional tie-ins...such as incorporating Eastern ideas into your daily life (meditation, life/nature balance, etc)

Do you know what can have the biggest effect on your therapy.....personal fit. Having a healthy connection with a therapist has shown to provide positive change, regardless of actual treatment. Certain schools of thought centralize around this belief (Rogerian for example

) If you fail to have a connection, therapy will most likely failure or be severely impaired.

-p

shutterbug · 11-08-2005, 08:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pedagogue

Do you know what can have the biggest effect on your therapy.....personal fit. Having a healthy connection with a therapist has shown to provide positive change, regardless of actual treatment. Certain schools of thought centralize around this belief (Rogerian for example

) If you fail to have a connection, therapy will most likely failure or be severely impaired.

I totally agree. I had a connection to my former therapist who taught me to use meditation, breathing, health, harmony and i just love her to death. I haven't seen her in about 6 months and she still writes me and calls on occasion to see how i'm doing or to invite me to a free group therapy session she's just started. I don't know what kind of school of thought she adheres to. I know i get a lot of help from her, but i thought CBT was the best type of treatment. My new (state funded) therapist is totally clueless and there's is NO connection and i feel i haven't gotten ANYthing out of all our sessions. It's really stressing me out.

spikerdoos · 11-15-2005, 11:30 PM

Has anyone ever heard of Sam-E? It is short for a really long chemical name I can't even pronounce. My therapist lent me a book to read on it. According to the book I read, it is the greates thin since sliced bread...no side effects...works within a few days. WoW!! I tried it, ans it is expensive, but I din;t find it all that effective. Since we are talking about natural remedies, I just want to make sure everyone is aware of the possible drug interation between St. John's Wort and birth control. I haven't read enough on this site to know if it has come up, but just smack me if it has

shutterbug · 11-24-2005, 03:38 AM

here's another thread called "Alternative Therapies"
http://www.soberrecovery.com/forums/...ies-74980.html

Here's one called "some things to help you through depression"
http://www.soberrecovery.com/forums/...ion-76443.html

This one's called, "A link found between Omega 3 and depression relief"
http://www.soberrecovery.com/forums/...ief-77922.html

( I just like to group similar things together...LOL

shutterbug · 11-24-2005, 03:42 AM

oh....and a good one about "Bach Flower Essences"
http://www.soberrecovery.com/forums/...tml#post725123

10-31-2005, 12:07 PM	#1 (permalink)
sliderslove Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Fenton, MO Posts: 4	Alternative Therapies Hi, I would really like to know of anybody else's experiences with alternative therapies for depression. Things other than meds and psychotherapy. (Not that those are bad!!) I'm interested in acupuncture, meditation, herbal remedies, homeopathy, electo-acupuncture, aromatherapy, electro brain stimulation, magnetic stimulation (which has helped my back immensely!!) and anything else that might be considered an 'alternative' therapy. I realize that going outside and running around with my dogs is 'alternative' therapy. Exercise is 'alternative' therapy. However, I'm looking for people with experiences in less mainstream therapies. Thanks!!!

10-31-2005, 02:10 PM	#2 (permalink)
shutterbug A picture's worth a 1000 words Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: With any luck, I'm lost in a view finder Posts: 2,947 Blog Entries: 5	I'm interested too... __________________ I'M FINE!! Fanatically Insecure Neuratic & Emotional Bipolar/Depression support: 1-800-950-NAMI(6264).

10-31-2005, 02:33 PM	#3 (permalink)
splendra the girl can't help it Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: splendraville Posts: 5,495 Blog Entries: 3	I am a person who has used alternative therapies for many years I also am an alternative health care provider. I beat my addictions, depression, dyslexia, had my baby and all other health care concerns of mine have been addressed with alternative health care. My family doctor is a Naturopathic Dr. I haven't ever had a flu shot nor do I even get the flu. I haven't taken an antibiotic for over 30 years and I am very healthy.... __________________ nice has a hisssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss

11-01-2005, 07:38 PM	#4 (permalink)
sliderslove Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Fenton, MO Posts: 4	More Explanation? Hi...Thanks for the response...Could you give more details, please? You said your doc is a Naturopathic Doctor. Could you explain a little bit about what that means? Thanks!

11-01-2005, 07:52 PM	#5 (permalink)
splendra the girl can't help it Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: splendraville Posts: 5,495 Blog Entries: 3	Naturepaths treat illness with foods and herbs. Once my son had an earache and the doctor gave me a recipe for a soup that cleared it right up it was amazing... __________________ nice has a hisssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss

11-01-2005, 10:44 PM	#6 (permalink)
shutterbug A picture's worth a 1000 words Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: With any luck, I'm lost in a view finder Posts: 2,947 Blog Entries: 5	that is cool....i recently discovered the true power of Vit. C (kinda slow, i guess). With the on set of my first major depression 8 years ago i developed chronic sinus infections that weren't receptive to ANY anti-biotics (and i tried a lot) so i was suffering for 1-12 months each time. The my therapist told me to take 1000mg of Vit. C when i'm sick. So as soon as i feel anything coming on...i start my regimen and i haven't been that kind of sick in nearly a year now!!!!!!. So splendra.....are naturepaths real doctors? Can you look them up in the phone book? Are they expensive? Would you mind sharing how you got rid of your depression (other than excersize of course which i know)? I really like the whole idea of herbs and natural things to cure ailments....there's something mystlical feeling to it...ya know? Like for example....is there really something to aromatherapy? I love using insence, but if there's something really to the whole aromatherapy thing then i'll start buying those specific scents....lol....i'm really pretty dumb about all these kinds of things. __________________ I'M FINE!! Fanatically Insecure Neuratic & Emotional Bipolar/Depression support: 1-800-950-NAMI(6264).

11-02-2005, 12:30 AM	#7 (permalink)
Don W Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Charleston S.C. Posts: 1,463	Hey, I'm always interested in learning new things. Much of my recovery plan involves some of many programs. I know for example eating healthy foods like fruit helps me. Might have something to do with the vit. C like shutterbug mentioned. Splendra, do you know of any web sites that would help provide information? Thanks again, this sounds very interesting. __________________ Captain America - On the side of good

11-02-2005, 05:41 AM	#8 (permalink)
splendra the girl can't help it Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: splendraville Posts: 5,495 Blog Entries: 3	Naturepaths are no more expencive than a regular doctor and yes you can look them up in the phone book some of them even take insurance... The doctor I go to is a MD + ND and even practices in the local teaching hospital.. And yes ND's are concidered doctors... __________________ nice has a hisssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss

11-04-2005, 06:51 AM	#9 (permalink)
mateo Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Michigan Posts: 32	I had a major "mixed bipolar-type" episode (my first) last January. My shrink wanted me on various medicines-- for the long term. The side effects were not acceptable to me....I looked into alternatives... I have had good results with homepathy. My practioner seemed to hit on a good remedy for me right away, and i have been drug free and doing well since then. I also take a few basic vitamin supplements.

11-04-2005, 06:52 AM	#10 (permalink)
Five Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: London Posts: 1,229	I would say Cognitive Behaviour Therapy - it is clinically proven to be effective for depression.

11-04-2005, 08:29 AM	#11 (permalink)
quercusalba Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Kingston, NY Posts: 390	I would agree with Five about CBT. It works! That and exercise - the two biggest non-drug remedies for depression, in my experience. __________________ "The lure of the distant and the difficult is deceptive. The great opportunity is where you are." --John Burroughs

11-04-2005, 08:00 PM	#13 (permalink)
shutterbug A picture's worth a 1000 words Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: With any luck, I'm lost in a view finder Posts: 2,947 Blog Entries: 5	yeah about CBT....although none of the therapists i've been too actually practice this! Mateo....would you mind sharing what all you take? Excersice....definetly works for mild to moderate depression....but in my experience and i've even see a little literature also....with severe depression, if i can make myself do it that is, I am even more tired afterwards and down for the count for several days from expelling all of the tiny bit of energy i had reserved. Just my experinence. Splendra....would you also share with us some of the remedies you use? __________________ I'M FINE!! Fanatically Insecure Neuratic & Emotional Bipolar/Depression support: 1-800-950-NAMI(6264).

11-08-2005, 06:36 AM	#14 (permalink)
mateo Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Michigan Posts: 32	I take a basic multi-vitamin with iron, and a B-complex vitamin daily. I was also taking a selenium supplement for a while (docs suggestion) to help my body deal with some exposure to heavy metals. (primarily lead paint poisoning).

11-08-2005, 10:33 AM	#15 (permalink)
pedagogue Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Anytown, USA Posts: 1,019	Here is my soap box...feel free to read/skip, etc. A big thing in the field today is labeling yourself "eclectic". It is almost like calling yourself that allows you to do pretty much what you want, without limiting yourself. It is important to understand what 'school' a prospective therapist believes in and uses. (Schools would be: CBT, Behaviorism, Analytical / Psychodynamic, Rogerian / Humanistic, etc) The majority of therapists will be CBT because of its ability to bring about more immediate change, and also because of insurance restrictions on session visits. It is NOT a one size fits all, even though some people try to make it so. Personally I have a very Rogerian slant with some crossover into other areas for specific treatment requirements. For instance, CBT is great for managing certain symptoms of depression (negative thinking, etc), but it sometimes ignores deeper root causes of why you are the way you are. There can be some more non-traditional tie-ins...such as incorporating Eastern ideas into your daily life (meditation, life/nature balance, etc) Do you know what can have the biggest effect on your therapy.....personal fit. Having a healthy connection with a therapist has shown to provide positive change, regardless of actual treatment. Certain schools of thought centralize around this belief (Rogerian for example ) If you fail to have a connection, therapy will most likely failure or be severely impaired. -p __________________ "If you can find a path with no obstacles, it probably doesn't lead anywhere." - Frank A. Clark

11-15-2005, 11:30 PM	#17 (permalink)
spikerdoos Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: US Posts: 6	Sam-E Has anyone ever heard of Sam-E? It is short for a really long chemical name I can't even pronounce. My therapist lent me a book to read on it. According to the book I read, it is the greates thin since sliced bread...no side effects...works within a few days. WoW!! I tried it, ans it is expensive, but I din;t find it all that effective. Since we are talking about natural remedies, I just want to make sure everyone is aware of the possible drug interation between St. John's Wort and birth control. I haven't read enough on this site to know if it has come up, but just smack me if it has __________________ :council:

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11-24-2005, 03:38 AM	#18 (permalink)
shutterbug A picture's worth a 1000 words Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: With any luck, I'm lost in a view finder Posts: 2,947 Blog Entries: 5	here's another thread called "Alternative Therapies" http://www.soberrecovery.com/forums/...ies-74980.html Here's one called "some things to help you through depression" http://www.soberrecovery.com/forums/...ion-76443.html This one's called, "A link found between Omega 3 and depression relief" http://www.soberrecovery.com/forums/...ief-77922.html ( I just like to group similar things together...LOL __________________ I'M FINE!! Fanatically Insecure Neuratic & Emotional Bipolar/Depression support: 1-800-950-NAMI(6264).

11-24-2005, 03:42 AM	#19 (permalink)
shutterbug A picture's worth a 1000 words Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: With any luck, I'm lost in a view finder Posts: 2,947 Blog Entries: 5	oh....and a good one about "Bach Flower Essences" http://www.soberrecovery.com/forums/...tml#post725123 __________________ I'M FINE!! Fanatically Insecure Neuratic & Emotional Bipolar/Depression support: 1-800-950-NAMI(6264).

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